More Ecomodders during a recession?

[JSH]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

The EU is a nice concept but having a monetary union without a fiscal union is basically a recipe for disaster which plays out over and over. Open borders are a popular liberal concept (and Europe is very liberal) but that's also being strained with their immigration policy.

Yet we manage both those issues in the USA.

The biggest losers in Brexit are the young professionals. This year a new grad in the UK can work almost anywhere in Europe without the hassle of a visa. Next year if things go as planned they are restricted to the UK and have to fight with the rest of the world for work visas in the EU.

Image if you had to get a visa to work in another state and how that would limit employment opportunities.

[Fat Charlie]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

The UN doesn't really have any teeth. I don't get why people complain about it so much, what does it even do?

Apparently they've got these black helicopters, which for some reason scare Murricans.

[freebeard]

Didn't hear that one coming.

www.airspacemag.com: Air America’s Black Helicopter
The secret aircraft that helped the CIA tap phones in North Vietnam

The biggest losers in Brexit are the young professionals.

Of all the possible paths forward, there are probably some that are win-win for both the EU and the UK.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Of all the possible paths forward, there are probably some that are win-win for both the EU and the UK.

Yeah, the EU and the UK have been doing a bang-up job of coming to win-win agreements lately.

EDIT: They are speeding towards a no-deal Brexit.

[freebeard]

May be the best way.

It's what you get for leaving decisions up to meat puppets instead of AI.

[Fat Charlie]

Meatheads, actually.

The UK needs the EU a bit more than the EU needs them. And Ireland had gotten so peaceful, too.

But they just had to say "Au revoir, ya cheese-eatin' surrender monkeys!" They somehow thought they could tell the rest of Europe to eff off and still not need customs inspections or visas?

[serialk11r]

Meh, I actually feel like more isolationism would help a lot of western countries that import tons of labor. Trade will always go on, comparative advantage is far too great a force to be overcome by some puny tariffs, but making it less easy to import labor would make countries think harder about their education system (and really all of domestic policy).

The "they took er jerbs" excuse goes away and people start training the correct amount of people for various jobs. Can't point the finger outside if domestic workers are explicitly being protected.

Saying this is almost sacrilege in Asia but India/China/Korea/etc. which send lots of students and STEM labor to the West maybe would need to reconsider their education as well if all those engineers stayed back home and create an oversupply, or maybe they can prove the AI = loss of jobs theory wrong if they can productively utilize them.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Saying this is almost sacrilege in Asia but India/China/Korea/etc. which send lots of students and STEM labor to the West maybe would need to reconsider their education as well if all those engineers stayed back home and create an oversupply, or maybe they can prove the AI = loss of jobs theory wrong if they can productively utilize them.

A lot of STEM labor doesn't need to leave India to work in the "West". The last 3 companies I worked for have been steadily building up their Indian Tech Centers.

The current shutdown will only reinforce that you don't need to be in the office to do work. If you can do the work remotely you can do it from anywhere in the world. Work from home is a two-edged sword.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Fat Charlie

Meatheads, actually.

The UK needs the EU a bit more than the EU needs them. And Ireland had gotten so peaceful, too.

But they just had to say "Au revoir, ya cheese-eatin' surrender monkeys!" They somehow thought they could tell the rest of Europe to eff off and still not need customs inspections or visas?

It is very odd that some people in the UK believe they will get a favorable trade agreement with the EU even though the EU economy is (IIRC) 7 times larger than the UK.

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by JSH

A lot of STEM labor doesn't need to leave India to work in the "West". The last 3 companies I worked for have been steadily building up their Indian Tech Centers.

Hey, if the friction is low enough, go for the outsourcing. Every large American bank is growing their Indian office since they get paid 30% as much. That's basically privately importing software.

Evidently though, there's a demand for workers that sit in the office in the US, otherwise they wouldn't be hiring so many people at a higher wage. It would be interesting to see what happens if that supply is restricted, because while e.g. Google doesn't abuse H1B labor, a hell of a lot of large firms that have sub-par pay do.