Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Instrumentation > OpenGauge / MPGuino FE computer
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 06-12-2008, 09:52 AM   #251 (permalink)
dcb
needs more cowbell
 
dcb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: ÿ
Posts: 5,038

pimp mobile - '81 suzuki gs 250 t
90 day: 96.29 mpg (US)

schnitzel - '01 Volkswagen Golf TDI
90 day: 53.56 mpg (US)
Thanks: 158
Thanked 269 Times in 212 Posts
RuHaSs, thanks man, PM sent.

MPT, try unplugging and plugging in the power, or do like I just did and connect LCD pin 2 to arduino pin 15, instead of directly to the 5v bus, so it can reset the LCD properly. You need the latest code for that (see latest updates a few posts back). The problem, if it is what I think it is, is that the LCD likes to be initialized once and only once after being powered up. Resets and code updates to the duino result in the LCD getting a new set of initialization when the duino reboots, even though the LCD didn't reboot. It isn't a problem if you can power cycle the whole unit but it has been enough of a PITA in development that I finally took a pin for it.

__________________
WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!

Last edited by dcb; 06-12-2008 at 10:04 AM..
  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 06-12-2008, 10:45 AM   #252 (permalink)
dcb
needs more cowbell
 
dcb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: ÿ
Posts: 5,038

pimp mobile - '81 suzuki gs 250 t
90 day: 96.29 mpg (US)

schnitzel - '01 Volkswagen Golf TDI
90 day: 53.56 mpg (US)
Thanks: 158
Thanked 269 Times in 212 Posts
Quick update: Modified the instant mpg function so it better corresponds with the trip mpg.
Labeled as v0.61, code updated.
__________________
WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!

Last edited by dcb; 06-12-2008 at 10:56 AM..
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2008, 05:46 PM   #253 (permalink)
EcoModding Lurker
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: NC
Posts: 30

Cxy Hatch - '92 Honda Civic CX

0ftlbs - '05 Honda S2000
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I took some measurements on the currents with a current probe and scope.

brightness zero 37mA
brightness one 55mA
brightness two 73mA
brightness three 90mA

I can see that base pin is being PWM'd at 500Hz. Peak current is 90mA for all but brightness zero (no base current pulses). Above I just wrote out the mean currents.

So at full brightness you're looking at :
*65 C/W for junction to air unheatsinked 7805 TO220 package

(( Vin - Vdiode - 5V ) * 90mA ) * 65C/W = rise over ambient

Plugging in Vin =14V, Vdiode = 0.7V you get 48.55C. Max junction is 125C. As long as you're under (125C-49C =) 76C / 166F ambient you will be Ok.




I also hooked up a function generator for a variable pulse width square wave to make sure the pulse is being detected properly. What is your idea behind the IC or rpm variable? I fed it a 10Hz signal and the IC was 20. 50Hz the IC was 100. Etc....

Last edited by MilesPerTank; 06-12-2008 at 07:11 PM.. Reason: .
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2008, 10:34 AM   #254 (permalink)
dcb
needs more cowbell
 
dcb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: ÿ
Posts: 5,038

pimp mobile - '81 suzuki gs 250 t
90 day: 96.29 mpg (US)

schnitzel - '01 Volkswagen Golf TDI
90 day: 53.56 mpg (US)
Thanks: 158
Thanked 269 Times in 212 Posts
Nice MPT, I hope to get it to shut off the backlight again when it is unattended so hopefully we will be at 37mA by the time the car interior ramps up. Still 165, that is pretty hot

re: injPulses (count), I haven't really looked at it, but eventually we can compute RPM from it, at least for many cars, but I would expect a number equal to the number of rising edges in a half second? So if you gave it a 10hz signal it should say 5, and a 100hz signal IC should say 50.

...
attachInterrupt(1, processInjClosed, RISING);
...

void processInjClosed(void){
tmpTrip.injHius += elapsedMicroseconds(injHiStart);
tmpTrip.injPulses++; //IC incremented here, and displayed and reset every .5 second
}
...
__________________
WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2008, 11:59 AM   #255 (permalink)
EcoModding Lurker
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: NC
Posts: 30

Cxy Hatch - '92 Honda Civic CX

0ftlbs - '05 Honda S2000
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
If its ever 166F I think I'll have larger problems on my hands then the MPG computer going into thermal shutdown. I've never run peak brightness outside of testing anyways.

From what I saw regarding the IC its off by a factor of 2. May as well just multiply it by 60 (seconds) and display it as an RPM. We can see if its correct pretty quick.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2008, 12:27 PM   #256 (permalink)
dcb
needs more cowbell
 
dcb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: ÿ
Posts: 5,038

pimp mobile - '81 suzuki gs 250 t
90 day: 96.29 mpg (US)

schnitzel - '01 Volkswagen Golf TDI
90 day: 53.56 mpg (US)
Thanks: 158
Thanked 269 Times in 212 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesPerTank View Post
May as well just multiply it by 60 (seconds) and display it as an RPM. We can see if its correct pretty quick.
It's worse than that (and rpm has to wait). You have to factor in the number of cylinders, weather or not it is TBI or MPFI, if it is bank fire MPFI, or if there even exists a correlation between the number of injector pulses and the number of engine revolutions for a particular vehicle. The nice thing about trying to deduce RPM from the injector signal is that it simplifies hookup, but I really don't know at this point how may cars it won't work on, and we have to ask some unintuitive questions during setup.

If Yoshi is right though, we will need to make sure we get the number of injector pulses right, because there is a mechanical delay in opening the injector (but no mechanical delay in closing the injector?!?)
__________________
WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!

Last edited by dcb; 06-13-2008 at 12:39 PM..
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2008, 01:09 PM   #257 (permalink)
nut
 
Coyote X's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Southen West Virginia
Posts: 654

Metro XFi - '93 Geo Metro XFi Convertible
90 day: 62.17 mpg (US)

DR650SE - '07 Suzuki DR650SE
90 day: 55.26 mpg (US)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 37 Times in 26 Posts
Send a message via MSN to Coyote X
http://www.msextra.com/manuals/MS_Ex....htm#constants

That gives you a bit of an idea of what injector opening time is like. You can pretty much just say 15msec to open the injectors and be close enough for most cars. When the injector closes you could just subtract that amount from the calculated open time.

I really need to get the stuff to build one of these, closest chip I have right now is an atmega32 chip and I don't feel like trying to recompile everything to run on it. I do have several 16x2 displays as well as some 40x4
__________________


  Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2008, 01:41 PM   #258 (permalink)
dcb
needs more cowbell
 
dcb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: ÿ
Posts: 5,038

pimp mobile - '81 suzuki gs 250 t
90 day: 96.29 mpg (US)

schnitzel - '01 Volkswagen Golf TDI
90 day: 53.56 mpg (US)
Thanks: 158
Thanked 269 Times in 212 Posts
Ok, I need a picture. So I think the way this works is that we should add in the area under the curve where the injector is opening AND when it is closing, and that looks like it adds up to roughly 1mS. Yoshi came up with .5 mS, would like to understand that discrepancy.

But FIRST, we need to make certain that we can calculate the number of injector pulses correctly.

__________________
WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2008, 01:49 PM   #259 (permalink)
EcoModding Lurker
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: NC
Posts: 30

Cxy Hatch - '92 Honda Civic CX

0ftlbs - '05 Honda S2000
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
http://www.automotivetestsolutions.c...rWaveforms.htm

Look at the size of the kick back when the inductor inside the injector flys up.

65V!
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2008, 01:56 PM   #260 (permalink)
dcb
needs more cowbell
 
dcb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: ÿ
Posts: 5,038

pimp mobile - '81 suzuki gs 250 t
90 day: 96.29 mpg (US)

schnitzel - '01 Volkswagen Golf TDI
90 day: 53.56 mpg (US)
Thanks: 158
Thanked 269 Times in 212 Posts
Yup, thats why a large value resistor and a zener (which should be forward biased and carrying 650 micro amps at the pulse peak.

__________________
WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread




Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
My kingdom for a giant, heated workspace MetroMPG The Lounge 14 12-12-2010 10:08 AM
Motorcycle manufacturers beginning to release MPG info MetroMPG Motorcycles / Scooters 1 04-03-2008 06:23 PM



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com