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Old 06-23-2008, 08:32 PM   #11 (permalink)
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regardless mythbusters are a joke. They do one experiment, and a myth is proven!!!! It's entertaining enough to watch them whine at each other though.

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They take viewers' opinions seriously. They will often retest if people give them negative feedback.
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If you have the time, watch this:


That is just part 1, there are 9 or 10 parts to this.
They do run a small engine on hydrogen with no throttle body later on.
Here was my conclusion of what was claimed by the entire 10 episodes:

If you add some hydrogen, the gasoline would burn up completely much faster. Therefore:

You could set the timing on the engine much later, and not lose energy as the pressure increases on the compression stroke. (maybe due to lower bearing and friction loads?)

You could run much, much leaner mixtures than you could ever ignite with gasoline alone.

You could run a spark ignition engine with no intake throttle at all (like a diesel engine) and reduce pumping losses.

Now all of this sounds reasonable to me, but then again I did get a C in Internal Combustion Engines class ( I could not understand accent of the TA who was teaching it)

If you watch this you will soon want the camera man to shut his yap, as well.
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Someone at work was telling me that there is a system (fuel/water) in design somewhere that would introduce an amount of water into the cylinders at full compression, changing the water to steam, forcing down the pistons from the rapid expansion rate... any truth to this? sounds plausible....
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I have a HHO generator(smacks booster) we (some of my buddies) put it in my car to test it one night using a recommended electrolyte (lye) we powered it up and took a test drive. I would say the results were >2mpg. I was getting the same fuel mileage with 4 people as i normally would get with just me in it. Now I don't know how accurate this info is because the test drive was only 15min long. I took it out because I didn't have the wiring i needed (it was hardwired to the battery) I have reinstalled it and done all the wiring, but the lye ate at the sidewall of the pvc and put a coating on the plates so the generator is not working. I don't think this is the most efficient generator out there. I have heard there is a laser HHO generator which is very efficient (never seen it but want to). Also i have heard about super heating the water using the exhaust of a car to produce HHO (though plasma?) Some other thing are the GEET fuel processor and the PICC (I would say they are both using plasma) Stanley Meyers had a water powered car; I think he was using a mechanical way of splitting it (He die/was killed/was poisoned)

About the car manufactures having the technology. There are reports of the Aries K (Dodge) getting 80mpg. I have also heard of a guy who had a Ford Bronco (guessing a early/mid 80's before because it has a carburettor) getting 60mpg. The owner of the Bronco was proud of his vehicle's mpg and spread the word. When Ford found out they left one slip out of the test site they forced/replaced it with a newer model that got worse gas mileage. Now I just have to think how much better and more fuel efficient fuel injection. Another thing to look up is the Fish Carburettor.

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If you have the time, watch this...
There is a good thread on 'fordmods', starts off as a member asking if anyone's tried a HHO, and he eventually tries it himself, posts impressive (consistent 20-30% gains) and sparks a lot of interest and some other members follow his lead... interesting discussion:
http://www.fordmods.com/forums/boost...as-t59449.html

Their conclusions/assumptions are the same as yours ttoyoda; very high RON, faster flame front, etc.

The more I read, I definitely want to try this one out.
While there's lots of convincing discussion, I still haven't seen any solid scientific testing.
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There is a good thread on 'fordmods', starts off as a member asking if anyone's tried a HHO, and he eventually tries it himself, posts impressive (consistent 20-30% gains) and sparks a lot of interest and some other members follow his lead... interesting discussion:
http://www.fordmods.com/forums/boost...as-t59449.html
I like that design
A few thinks i forgot to mention

1. Theory
If you add more Oxygen the O2 sensor will say that the engine is running lean and add more fuel undoing your gain

2. Look at the Joe cell

3. For some pretty cool info goto rex research

4. Last but not least look at Nicola Tesla's work (not water related but very intriguing)
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Someone at work was telling me that there is a system (fuel/water) in design somewhere that would introduce an amount of water into the cylinders at full compression, changing the water to steam, forcing down the pistons from the rapid expansion rate... any truth to this? sounds plausible....
At part Throttle Water injection appears to work similar to higher EGR flow; basically takes up space making your engine "smaller". It does work for some FE gain (well it did in my Supra . . .).

At WOT the engine benefits from cooler charge temps.
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The more I read, I definitely want to try this one out. While there's lots of convincing discussion, I still haven't seen any solid scientific testing.
I agree totally.....I haven't watched or read enough yet to make an educated decision. I still have alot questions more so on the generation end of it.....

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