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Old 04-20-2018, 09:34 AM   #71 (permalink)
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That's just speaking truth to Murricans. If they're running a full size pickup or SUV, even driving technique can't save them (present company excepted, Slowmover).
The average Americans don't really seem to care for hypermiling, sometimes they even might think they're somewhat entitled to drive oversized landyachtes no matter what. No wonder some prefer to follow the footsteps of the so-called "Prius patriots" and turn to hybrids instead of adjusting their driving style, even though they may choose a hybrid crossover SUV instead of a Prius.

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Old 04-20-2018, 12:29 PM   #72 (permalink)
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He means "speeds over 100 MPH," right?
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He means "speeds over 100 MPH," right?
Probably not. Or is that a jab at people going waaaaaay too fast?
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The average Americans don't really seem to care for hypermiling, sometimes they even might think they're somewhat entitled to drive oversized landyachtes no matter what. No wonder some prefer to follow the footsteps of the so-called "Prius patriots" and turn to hybrids instead of adjusting their driving style, even though they may choose a hybrid crossover SUV instead of a Prius.
We are entitled to drive landyachtes.

However, if reducing fuel consumption is a priority, then we should simply make fuel cost more. People will still be entitled to drive landyachetes, and they can pay for it. Most sensible people would drive something more fuel efficient.
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Old 04-21-2018, 07:02 AM   #75 (permalink)
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That's just speaking truth to Murricans. If they're running a full size pickup or SUV, even driving technique can't save them (present company excepted, Slowmover). Hell, even with a manual and hypermiling the hell out of it (and being forced to avoid the big highway for other reasons) I was lucky to average 19 mpg in my wife's XTerra. More than 10% over EPA, but not numbers anyone other than a dedicated hypermiler would see.

Then he ends with a little tough love:
No need to except me. I no longer have business use for the truck, it’s just getting older more slowly as I’m rarely home the past few years. True, the back is loaded with 1,100+ lbs of gear related to job and trailer renovation. And it’s been a steady, dependable workhorse. Hook up a 20,000-lb trailer, or run the highway solo at 24-mpg. A great range of ability.

But my approach would work pretty well for those others: identify those normal errands and combine them into one long trip. Cut the miles, and then feather-foot the rest.

The savings is really about fewer miles, thus fewer gallons. The change to the average mpg may not be great. It’s the total annual fuel bill, in this approach.

I’ve tried to get other RV owners interested. After all, it’s being willing to make a few new habits, not a radical set of changes. Underwrite vacation travel. (Nope. No takers).

What they really don’t look at is the increase in maintenance and repairs. I’m sure there’s a sensible cutoff somewhere (a, don’t buy below this level of quality kind of marker), but why pay so much more to receive less?

It’s not just fuel.

Decent people being forced out of the cities circa 1970 drove suburban sprawl to levels unimaginable earlier. From then on, one was tied to cars in ways no city dweller ever expects. Commutes are suburb to suburb, etc. Then the destructive power of forcing wives into the workforce. Which barely increases the family net income. But brings with it a host of other problems subsidized fuel is supposed to help ameliorate.

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Old 04-22-2018, 09:36 PM   #76 (permalink)
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if reducing fuel consumption is a priority, then we should simply make fuel cost more
Good luck trying to convince the average Joe about it.
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I had to pick my daughter up from an activity last night. I got there a bit early and parked on the street, had the windows down, music on quietly and was reading a book. Then a minute later a full sized puckup pulled in behind me and the driver left her engine running. I had to push my outside rearview away to get the DRL out of my vision and turn up my music so I could hear it.

The kids got out late. I sat there for 20 minutes with that idling pickup behind me, and she was still doing it when I left.

And she's probably unhappy about the high price of gas, but doesn't understand that she's to blame.
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I am surprised more cars are not stolen when left running and unattended.
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And she's probably unhappy about the high price of gas, but doesn't understand that she's to blame.
Probably had the windows down too, right? I can understand idling when it's scorching or freezing out to keep the interior nice, but I've seen many idlers with their windows down. If listening to the radio for 20 minutes while you're waiting will kill your battery, you might need a new one.
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This seems like a situation where someone shrugs it off saying "It is what it is," you find a much more efficient way, and people say you should just do it the stupid way.

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