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Old 01-29-2013, 12:28 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Wow! And oh nooooo! And cool. I like the Fit a lot, and it is one of the main cars I think about when I think about what I would get if something un-fixable happens to Black and Green. Congrats.

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Old 01-29-2013, 12:44 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The Insight seats 5 too, the middle position is so much higher than the sides that the pelvises don' t line up so there is more usable width. One can only bow ones head for this kind of ingenuity, especially so when in that middle position; anyone longer than 5 foot would hit the roof otherwise.
The Fit is much more practical.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:12 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I suspected that (rear seat config) would be the reason.

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I'm sure Fit owners have investigated the availability of a taller final drive/5th gear swap by now, for more RPM-appropriate efficient cruising. The cars have been around long enough that some people might even consider doing such a thing (eg. out of warranty). Have you seen anything on that topic?
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Old 01-29-2013, 02:54 PM   #14 (permalink)
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There's a japanese model with a 4.2 final drive compared to our 4.62. I haven't heard of anyone doing that swap, though.

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Wow! And oh nooooo! And cool. I like the Fit a lot, and it is one of the main cars I think about when I think about what I would get if something un-fixable happens to Black and Green. Congrats.
It's not as good for mileage. Disappointing since I expected it to be close. Ah, well. Just a new, bigger challenge.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:07 PM   #15 (permalink)
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So it looks like the CR-Z has that same 4.29 final drive. It also has a half-gear taller 6th gear. The entire transmission won't swap because there's an IMA motor in between the engine and transmission. I'm wondering three things. 1. Will the final drive swap over? 2. Will the 6th gear work as a replacement 5th? 3. Where do you acquire such parts???!!

Oh, and the other basic question: $$$
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:33 PM   #16 (permalink)
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So8unds like it's time to patrol the junkyards and the online forums for people selling parts... look for a salvage title car maybe, swap anything that is swapable and sell what's left. I don't know about gear swapping. When I complete my transmission replacement (bearings wearing out) I will rebuild my old DX tranny with the VX final drive I bought (finally). With the CX tranny on the DD, I'll be free to find out at my leisure just how swappable the 6th Gen DX and Fifth Gen VX final drives were. But that probably will offer small hint to you about what might be possible. Still, you have your challenge...
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:11 PM   #17 (permalink)
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It'll probably be a few years before I consider such a thing. I actually have a warranty right now!
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:55 PM   #18 (permalink)
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All you have to do is troll Japanese suppliers... secondhand Fits from Japan are pretty cheap, and if all you need is the motor, that's cheaper still.
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:11 PM   #19 (permalink)
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i never liked the look of the Fit but yours looks really good in white. congrats, enjoy the new car but i don't think you will be breaking your old record
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the AT sucks compared to the previous CVT in terms of economy
Too bad they phased out the CVT for the Brazilian versions of the Fit too. The 1st-gen got it for the local market, altough the first ones exported to the U.S. were fitted with the 5-speed AT. Altough the JDM versions retain the CVT, and if I remember correctly the Euro-spec Fit (Jazz) too.


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The fuel tank layout is terrific. It leaves lots of space under the rear seat and in the trunk (with that gigantic square bin where the spare goes) for a propane tank or battery packs. The possibilities in terms of Frankenstein-level eco-modding are endless.
Maybe even a water reservoir for an evaporative cooler in case of A/C delete

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