Peugeot 106 diesel 1.5L does 75mpg !

[Dave's Civic Duty]

Wow, I had no Idea that these cars were that good. How many miles, or what is the life expectancy of a Peugeot diesel!

Dave

[AJI]

Originally Posted by robchalmers

not much point when you can drag 70+ mpg out of the petrol!

Exactly. That, and the fact that the diesel model was more expensive. I've read articles recently implying that diesels in smaller cars are dying out because the engines cost about three times the amount of the equivalent petrol to produce, the cost is passed onto the customer, and the customer doesn't see the point when small petrols get amazing figures nowadays, especially with stop-start and similar technologies.

Originally Posted by Dave's Civic Duty

Wow, I had no Idea that these cars were that good. How many miles, or what is the life expectancy of a Peugeot diesel!

Hard to say, as far as I'm aware they have reasonable reputations. The later 1.5 diesels seem to be better than the earlier 1.4s (more reliable). Neither have turbochargers so that's one worry out of the way. Other than that, I can't see a 1.5 diesel in a light car being too much of a stressed engine. There are loads on UK ebay with well over 150k miles which isn't bad at all for such a small car.

There are some even older 205s with diesel motors at well over 200k too. They mustn't be too bad!

[robchalmers]

Originally Posted by AJI

Exactly. That, and the fact that the diesel model was more expensive. I've read articles recently implying that diesels in smaller cars are dying out because the engines cost about three times the amount of the equivalent petrol to produce, the cost is passed onto the customer, and the customer doesn't see the point when small petrols get amazing figures nowadays, especially with stop-start and similar technologies.

its why VW/Audi are commonising the 1.6 diesel across everything from the polo upto passat rather than just having the 1.4, 3potter solely for the small cars, Alos they're investing in twin charger technology and other funky stuff

Ford are doing to with the 1.6tdci in the fiesta.

[Arragonis]

That 1.5D should be good forever in terms of the engine though, the other bits tend to fail first like the fuel pump which can be expensive. I think the 1.5 had an alloy block and head, the 1.4 had an iron block - maybe.

The older 205s had the XUD engine which would sometimes have head gasket failure and overheat but would also last a long long time otherwise.

Bosch bits seem to last well but are expensive to replace, Lucas ones last less well but can be cheaper. Swings and roundabouts.

Bodywise I haven't see a crusty 106 (old or facelifted 'new' stylee) yet but I think that later 205s seem to have lasted longer that early 106s even the ones made in Algeria. May be worth a trip underneath with a can of underseal in some of the more exposed bits during the summer if this is a keeper.

I miss my Algerian run-out Mardi-Gras 205 TD, but not the dealers who are about as much use as a marzipan mallet, even for spares.

EDIT : I think there was a turbo one in France, but I may be wrong. I remember Diesel Car having a test of one - 0-60 in 11 seconds, 55 mpg or something like that.

[ShadeTreeMech]

DISCLAIMER: These blokes are likely throwing around the UK mpg figures, so beware!

Just joking with ya'll. I envy the access the Europeans have to good mpg vehicles, especially hot hatches with a diesel. I remember watching a Top Gear where they went something like 700 miles on one tank of fuel. Ol Clarkson tried to run out of fuel early by using the heated seats, air con, and driving like a blithering idiot, yet he still managed to get to his destination with fuel to spare. And he was in a Jaguar! Not exactly an econobox!

IIRC, a UK gallon is roughly equal to 5 US quarts?

[robchalmers]

4.54 litres = Uk gallon IIRC

you guys would love some of the diesels we have over here.....

[Dave's Civic Duty]

You are correct in those words Rob!

I've taken quite a fancy to diesel cars lately, what a mill!

[robchalmers]

Any more news on the 106??

what size tyres are you running?

[AJI]

Originally Posted by Arragonis

That 1.5D should be good forever in terms of the engine though, the other bits tend to fail first like the fuel pump which can be expensive. I think the 1.5 had an alloy block and head, the 1.4 had an iron block - maybe.

Something like that. Everything I've read suggests the 1.4 is less reliable than the 1.5, because they tend to overheat. That said, I found an easy fix for that problem within five minutes of searching on the net, so presumably a 1.4 can go on forever as well once that's sorted.

The older 205s had the XUD engine which would sometimes have head gasket failure and overheat but would also last a long long time otherwise.

The 205s were also 1.9 engines, so even less stressed in such a small and light car than the mills in the 106. In fact, the 205 was a lighter car model-for-model than the 106, as far as I'm aware. Bigger engine hauling a lighter car. Can't go too far wrong.

Bodywise I haven't see a crusty 106 (old or facelifted 'new' stylee) yet but I think that later 205s seem to have lasted longer that early 106s even the ones made in Algeria.

If there's one thing the French seem to do well, it's making the bodywork on their cars actually last. The equivalent Ford at the time would be crumbling away by now (I know because I used to own one). The only thing the small Pugs seem to have suffered from when you look around is parking dents.

[Piwoslaw]

Originally Posted by AJI

Something like that. Everything I've read suggests the 1.4 is less reliable than the 1.5, because they tend to overheat. That said, I found an easy fix for that problem within five minutes of searching on the net, so presumably a 1.4 can go on forever as well once that's sorted.

So what's the secret?
Wouldn't just plain hypermiling keep the temp down? Less fuel used for the same distance = greater efficiency = less energy wasted as heat. Judging from the number of new "Why does my fan keep turning on?" posts at my local Peugeot forum every spring, I can tell that my turbodiesel stays cooler than others, even with a (partially opened for warm weather) grill block.

PSA's 1.5 diesel is better than the 1.4 - it's newer, has cleaner emissions (that's why the 1.4 got phased out), and is EOBD. It's also got slightly more power/torque at about the same fe.