Prius versus G1 Insight

[RedDevil]

My best tank is close to 60 mpg. My next tank will beat it if conditions stay the same. I got the car, so it is relevant to me. And it is cheaper than the new Prius that you do use in your comparison.
Need I say more?

[Xist]

RedDevil, for some reason this will not load your latest response. Sometimes they take a while to show up for me, which I find confusing.

My best tank is close to 60 mpg. My next tank will beat it if conditions stay the same. I got the car, so it is relevant to me. And it is cheaper than the new Prius that you do use in your...

Well, I used a Prius c... It is not a real Prius!

I did not explain why I included it. I do make an effort to keep my message length reasonable!

To me, it looked like the c was the closest thing to the original Insight once Honda told the world to do push-ups, although using Vskid3's numbers, it does not seem like the c really has an efficiency advantage over the Prius.

So, the Prius is the best, close the thread and forget about it?

[rmay635703]

Originally Posted by some_other_dave

Funny, you say "negative" and then quote snippets of articles that say what I am saying. Lean burn produces higher NOx due to higher exhaust temps. The super-expensive catalysts can bring those numbers down to a level that was acceptable in 2000, but they cannot bring them down to levels that are currently acceptable at a price that is currently acceptable.

That's why no lean burn.

-soD

Sadly the extremely expensive catalyst WATER that virtually eliminates NOX as per tests conducted from the 40's through one very recently that mech should remember has not been used so we are disallowed lean burn, despite the fact that a DI lean burn engine Grams per mile might still end up lower than at stoich due to the lower fuel consumption even without anything real fancy.

Ah well, gotta believe what the man says.

Also my insight being driven on a mix of speeding and around town is sitting at 84.9mpg, warm wether does help my beater despite the misfires and jerkyness. And no I don't exactly drive the insight in an ECO friendly way but it still returns very good numbers.

[rmay635703]

Originally Posted by Xist

RedDevil,

So, the Prius is the best, close the thread and forget about it?

??? The Prius will never beat the insight on the highway, especially at speed

Around town, yes or no, I find it much easier to get 70-80mpg in my "broken" insight than in the Prius C I test drove.

[Xist]

Originally Posted by rmay635703

??? The Prius will never beat the insight on the highway, especially at speed

Around town, yes or no, I find it much easier to get 70-80mpg in my "broken" insight than in the Prius C I test drove.

Yes, but lean burn is evil, do push-ups.

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by Xist

RedDevil, for some reason this will not load your latest response. Sometimes they take a while to show up for me, which I find confusing.

Me too! It is the 3rd time or so that it happened like that. But after some time and reloading it suddenly appears fine.
It's probably the NSA, scanning and filtering the web for threats against humanity and American culture, only to find the satanic reference in my name bears none of that so they let it pass

Originally Posted by Xist

Well, I used a Prius c... It is not a real Prius! (...) So, the Prius is the best, close the thread and forget about it?

Depends on how you use it and what you use it for. The C (Yaris over here) was too small for me, and to new/expensive. I picked up a year old Insight for less than the cheapest secondhand Yaris, no matter what condition.
I already carried a single sleeper bed once, and the family plus almost a metric ton of luggage, and some other stuff that would never fit in the Yaris.

Imho. the G2 Insight gets less attention than it desevers, even gets scolded for copying the Prius shape... What Prius shape? That's G1 Insight shape... the G1 Prius was a sedan

[Xist]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

Me too! It is the 3rd time or so that it happened like that. But after some time and reloading it suddenly appears fine.
It's probably the NSA, scanning and filtering the web for threats against humanity and American culture, only to find the satanic reference in my name bears none of that so they let it pass

Depends on how you use it and what you use it for. The C (Yaris over here) was too small for me, and to new/expensive. I picked up a year old Insight for less than the cheapest secondhand Yaris, no matter what condition.
I already carried a single sleeper bed once, and the family plus almost a metric ton of luggage, and some other stuff that would never fit in the Yaris.

Imho. the G2 Insight gets less attention than it desevers, even gets scolded for copying the Prius shape... What Prius shape? That's G1 Insight shape... the G1 Prius was a sedan

I went back and read your post, once it posted. It is curious that you ended with "Need I say more?", which apparently the NSA attempted to censor.

I have seen plenty of Yaaaaaar! [said in a pirate voice] and I regularly see a c [the speed of what?] at school, but had not connected them.



No! They are totally different cars! The tail lights are distinct!

Once and only once, I will call the c a Yaris hybrid.

Yay! Yet one more name for the exact same car!

Strangely, looking at the dimensions, they are slightly different. It is like the c is the new generation, but they have not updated the Yaris yet.

My last girlfriend had a Yaris. I once asked her what the difference was between her car and an Echo. Of course, she did not know. Then I found out that it was also called a Platz (and a Vitz), mentioned it, and she got upset.

We had difficulties...

I have told people that Toyota copied the Insight, but I looked up when each was released in Japan and was confused, the Prius came out in Japan two years earlier, but you are right, the first Insight-shaped one was the 2,004 model.

Good point.

The Yaris\c definitely seems too small and finding a one year old used car that was big enough for less definitely sounds like a good deal.

[RedDevil]

I have to correct myself, the Prius C is not called Yaris over here but Yaris Hybrid, and I believe it does indeed have completely incomparably different taillights.

[samwichse]

This thread seems a bit... trollish, but I'll bite.

I had an I1 for 40,000 miles (until a 15 passenger van sat on it :-( ) and the average -- and I don't mean trip, or tank, but overall average -- for 40k miles of driving through good weather and bad in every condition from in town to road trip was:

69.2mpg

Calculated by a log of every gallon I put in vs the total distance traveled.

I drove it from Maryland to Ontario Canada... then 3 hours into Canada and still had 5 bars on the gas gauge (600 miles). Which I used to drive back 2 hours the next day.

If you want high gas mileage, there is no other car. Mine was totally bone stock except the sub/amp system. And I drive mildly, but I'm not a hypermiler.

Sam

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by Xist

I have told people that Toyota copied the Insight, but I looked up when each was released in Japan and was confused, the Prius came out in Japan two years earlier, but you are right, the first Insight-shaped one was the 2,004 model.

I don't think either one was copying the other's body shape, any more than a dolphin copied a shark or a marlin, or any of them copied an ichthyosaur: Ichthyosaur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It's just physics, saying that if you want an aerodynamically efficient body shape, it's going to look a certain way.


As for the efficiency of 1st gen Insights, I'm averaging 71.4 mpg for close to 120K miles of driving, mostly mountain roads. Repair costs have been negligible: other than normal maintenance items, in 10 years I think I've replaced an O2 sensor and an EGR valve. I do take the battery out and rebalance it every year or two, but than doesn't cost anything but a bit of time.