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Yeah the shot is pretty much useless if you aren't high risk or you don't work with people who are high risk.
At worst it is a false sense of security.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by freebeard

What I wonder is how if survivors don't spread it what did spread it before the "vaccine" caused the runaway infection rate.

Gibraltar is the territory with the highest rate of vaccinated people, with 100% of eligible people fully vaccinated, yet the Chinese flu is skyrocketting there

[freebeard]

My question is what precipitated the initial spread. ....and what's different now?

[MeteorGray]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

Gibraltar is the territory with the highest rate of vaccinated people, with 100% of eligible people fully vaccinated, yet the Chinese flu is skyrocketting there

Apparently the skilled technicians in Wuhan were successful in making the bat virus very effective in humans. Dr. Fauci must be proud: US tax dollars well spent. Thanks, Doc. No wonder he's the highest-paid official in the Federal Government.

Quote: "My question is what precipitated the initial spread. ....and what's different now?"

The difference is that now, after the virus escaped from the lab, the vaccine in all those millions of people may be guiding the virus into clever shape-shifting, so I've heard say from a guy who is said to be an expert. We may be playing whack-a-mole with this new form of human entertainment forever.

[Piotrsko]

Wouldn't call it clever shape shifting when it's just straight evolution. Cockroaches and Norwegian brown rats are similar. Kill most, the the random ones with odd genetics survive and pass on that trait to survive. When you have millions of infections, even a .001% survival gives you at least one mutant.

The vaccine doesn't stop everything, but it does make the symptoms less so to be generally non fatal. What's the survival rate of non-vaccinated versus vaccinated after the hospitalization? How long the hospitalization?

[redpoint5]

The virus behaves just as viruses do regardless of the presence of a vaccine or not. If there were no vaccine and only natural immunity, it still would have mutated to a form evasive to natural immunity, because that's the nature of mutation and astronomically high numbers of mutations that occur in every single individual who is infected.

Most people should get the vaccine because most people have risk factors such as being overweight or older in age.

Don't see a reason for children to be vaccinated.

Natural immunity should be considered equal to being vaccinated and the fact that it's not is indisputable proof of either profound ignorance and likely corruption. Any politician not considering it equal should lose their job immediately and never be admitted back to "public service" again.

The fact that the public stands for any of this profound ignorance/corruption is evidence they have become corrupted by complacency.

[freebeard]

Apparently the skilled technicians in Wuhan were successful in making the bat virus very effective in humans.

I'm on board with the 'military games in Wuhan in November' scenario. (I [may have] had it in Jan 2021) Initial reports had bodies lying in the streets that never made it to a hospital to be intubated. Are people dropping dead in the streets currently?

[redpoint5]

Everyone with sniffles in Jan-Feb claims they had it before anyone else and nobody got tested to rule out flu or other not-novel virus. My friend claimed he had it back then, and somewhat recently knew he had it and had a somewhat severe and prolonged bout with it. Obviously if he had had it back in Feb like he claimed, he'd have had enough immunity to not be so severely affected the 2nd time.

Anyhow, the first confirmed case in Oregon was Feb 29, so even if one french-kissed that person when they were contagious, symptoms would not have developed until March.

The first confirmed case in Washington was Jan 21. It's more plausible if someone who spends time in Seattle contracted it in February.

I'm not saying it's impossible to have had it before the first confirmed cases came in, but I'd bet every penny I have against that theory.

[freebeard]

Agreed. I'm holding some veterinary supplies just in case.

I've discussed it with two different physicians with two different responses. The presenting symptom was [in through the lacrimals/flat on my back for 4 days/out through the poop-hole]. One doctor said "It could have been anything". What am I supposed to do with that? No actionable intelligence. The other agreed it was going around before most people thought.

I asked about the potential for a false negative test. They talked away from that, like 'feets do your stuff'.

I think of it as Schrodinger's Flu.

[redpoint5]

False negatives are extremely common. My worthless anecdote is that I've had at least 1 false-negative, which was determined by doing another identical test at the identical location 2 days later and getting a positive result. This was for a PCR test, which is considered even more accurate than the rapid tests.

I had researched false negatives quite some time ago and forgot the exact figures, but one has to time the test within a couple days of the optimal testing period after being exposed to the virus to get a decently high chance of reading a valid positive result. Too soon or too late and and the accuracy falls off a cliff.

Kinda makes you wonder why some places are so militant about allowing normal freedom with "proof" of a negative covid test when those tests are so lousy. Heck, a person exposed to covid wouldn't even get a positive result until 5 days after exposure. That means a person with a negative result from a test 72hrs prior could easily have covid and not yet present any evidence of infection.