Which Really Costs More: Charging an EV or Filling Up Your Tank With Gas?

[redpoint5]

I'd probably want to see about 200 GPM minimum for that head height to make it worth my effort.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by freebeard

They have a micro-hydro opportunity with a creek that feeds the canal, but they don't care sufficiently. I donated some pieces and parts.

Not everyone wants to make producing electricity their hobby especially if grid power is cheap and reliable. A quick look at EWEB's website shows a residential rate of $9.14 cents per kWh.

That is were I'm at. I've quoted installing solar on my house twice but I'm not paying enough for electricity to make it worth the bother and the capital I would have to invest to make the switch can get far better returns in other investments.

[aerohead]

AeroStealth's experience has been that, electricity isn't necessarily any cheaper than gasoline, on a per-gallon basis, but because the BSFC-e of a BEV is so superior to that of an ICE, that, overall, one is ahead.
Mercedes-Benz new EQXX concept illustrates the point.
At an EPA equivalent of 33.705 kWh/gallon, the Mercedes has an approximately 2.9669-gallon 'tank.'
At M-B's claimed 620-mile range, that's an average 208.9-mpg Combined.

[Piotrsko]

Originally Posted by aerohead

6) How much driving can the average American do in two weeks, and have any semblance of rest and recreation?

When I was classified secret, I once did LA to Seattle, Butte Montana, Denver, Phoenix, San Diego, back to LA (couldn't figure where I lost my tail escort). Currently planning on Reno to New Orleans and back. Plan is 1000 miles, rest a day rinse repeat, couple days in Orleans. 500 miles every day is just too tiring.

[Hersbird]

TFLtruck on YouTube currently has a Rivian. They were timing a 20-80% recharge at a common Colorado fast charger and it took 42 minutes. That gave them 160 miles of added range. It wasn't the time that caught my attention but the cost of the charge. I think it was 82 kw and .35 per kw. So $28.70 to go 160 miles. Now an ecoboost F150 will pretty easily go 160 miles on 6.4 gallons of $3.50 per gallon unleaded or $22.40.

[Piotrsko]

So at .13 a kwh its 10.06 at home or 22.76 for fuel in Reno. I'm retired I can wait.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

TFLtruck on YouTube currently has a Rivian. They were timing a 20-80% recharge at a common Colorado fast charger and it took 42 minutes. That gave them 160 miles of added range. It wasn't the time that caught my attention but the cost of the charge. I think it was 82 kw and .35 per kw. So $28.70 to go 160 miles. Now an ecoboost F150 will pretty easily go 160 miles on 6.4 gallons of $3.50 per gallon unleaded or $22.40.

160 / 82 = 2 miles per kWh. That is pretty much the EPA rated efficiency.

Charging at a DC fast charger costs more. You are paying for convenience and it isn't uncommon to pay the same or even a bit more to charge than to fuel a gas vehicle.

Charge at home (where about 90% of EV charging takes place) and there are significant savings over gas.

[ME_Andy]

That news article should have been called, "If you're a complete moron, you can make EV fueling more expensive than gas!"

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by JSH

160 / 82 = 2 miles per kWh. That is pretty much the EPA rated efficiency.

Charging at a DC fast charger costs more. You are paying for convenience and it isn't uncommon to pay the same or even a bit more to charge than to fuel a gas vehicle.

Charge at home (where about 90% of EV charging takes place) and there are significant savings over gas.

But on a trip you are paying more and taking much longer. When my wife passed, my nephews friend loaned him his Model 3 to come to the memorial 500 miles away from Seattle. Supposedly to save hin money. I asked if he had free supercharging and he didn't. They actually own a newer Prius, and I told him take the Prius. I think he wanted to experience the Tesla so he took the Tesla. Not only did it cost much more than the Prius would have, gas was still way under $3 and the Pruis would have done the trip on 20 gallons, but it took him FOREVER. We make that trip at least once a year if not more and 8 hours is the norm. He was 12 hours and he agreed in the end while the Tesla is fun around town, they sould have taken the Prius on the highway.

[redpoint5]

I wonder if he knew not to charge to full, as getting the last few percent of charge is what takes ages.

From what I read, it seems long trips in an EV add about 1/3rd more time than taking an ICE.

...I don't know why anyone would take an EV over a Prius on a long trip. There's no better vehicle for that. Just the opposite, I would trade someone my Tesla for their ICE for long trips.

I always used to offer the Prius to friends when I knew they had a long trip ahead of them.