Rising Gas Prices = More Ecomodder Interest?

[MetroMPG]

Back on topic!

Traffic/visitor stats don't show any increase in EcoModder traffic in the past few months. In fact, it's down slightly year over year.

Long term traffic trend is down, down, down... for many reasons.

[oil pan 4]

As of today:
The nation average price is $3.42 for a gallon of rug.
One year ago today it was $2.11 a gallon.
How's that for sticker shock, a 62% increase ouch.

Traffic is down because anyone who wants a fuel efficient vehicle can just get one or if you want an electric, no problem; a plug in hybrid, yeah we got those too.

If a 62% gas price increases ain't going to do it nothing will.
I'll give a $50 donation to ecomodder. It can't be paypal I got banned for life from paypal for being an "arms dealer". Which I totally did, for like 11 years.

[hayden55]

Interesting enough it went from 1.55 to 3.09 here. So a double-ish.

[oil pan 4]

The article I saw said particularly hard hit localities have seen prices double.

[rmay635703]

Long ago during the Bush era when diesel hit $4,50 a gallon wages were very different

Despite people complaining about Fuel is still comparatively cheap and those complaining usually don’t actually care about gas prices but in reality are upset about “other” things real or imagined
I would estimate no one will really care until we are in the $8/$9 a gallon area until then I foresee no change in behavior as compared to the Bush era of gas price hikes every year

Originally Posted by hayden55

Interesting enough it went from 1.55 to 3.09 here. So a double-ish.

Gas for $0.99 a gallon for quite a while last year as gas went negative and fuel companies went bankrupt shutting down.
So around here it’s about a 3x increase
Which means absolutely nothing,
if there were no pandemic gas would have been around $4 a gallon near the end of last year.
Energy investors have been leaning heavily into oil interests to stop drilling and exploring to increase profits, this type of behavior is what gave us $4 a gallon gas last go around in the Bush era, that behavior also increased the fallout in 2008 as large banks learned why a monopoly on a commodity only drives bigger failures

[tf4624]

answer to the thread title. Maybe? but then again there are ev and plug ins and hybrids which are coming up to be the norm so not too much modding i guess.

[Quasiff]

Originally Posted by rmay635703

Long ago during the Bush era when diesel hit $4,50 a gallon wages were very different

Despite people complaining about Fuel is still comparatively cheap and those complaining usually don’t actually care about gas prices but in reality are upset about “other” things real or imagined
I would estimate no one will really care until we are in the $8/$9 a gallon area until then I foresee no change in behavior as compared to the Bush era of gas price hikes every year

In Europe, we pay around €1.80 per litre, depending on which country you're in and where you buy it. I paid €2.06 per litre in Netherlands recently (though that was for premium E5 in a motorway service station, so the most expensive fuel and the most expensive place to buy it). This is a bit more that we're used to but much of our cost is tax so we don't see the huge fluctuations in the crude oil price.

[rmay635703]

Originally Posted by Quasiff

In Europe, we pay around €1.80 per litre, depending on which country you're in and where you buy it. I paid €2.06 per litre in Netherlands recently (though that was for premium E5 in a motorway service station, so the most expensive fuel and the most expensive place to buy it). This is a bit more that we're used to but much of our cost is tax so we don't see the huge fluctuations in the crude oil price.

In the US I’ve long believed crude / gasoline should have a small supply side tax that kicks in higher when crude is below a certain floor (relating to $2/gal) gas or something similar

This would drive some of the costs of inefficiency to supply base companies and other users of fuel that even when paying gas tax actually can just write off 100% of the tax paying net zero .

Sadly getting those who cause the most damage and usually could care less about fuel costs to pay anything is near impossible in our current environment.

An added benefit would be normalizing fuel prices somewhat, so I can’t buy $0.99 fuel half the summer, which apparently most Americans figure is the only price they should pay for fuel and that the expensive $4.50 diesel I had to buy 3 & 4 presidents ago was just my imagination and not anyones fault.

[hayden55]

Originally Posted by rmay635703

In the US I’ve long believed crude / gasoline should have a small supply side tax that kicks in higher when crude is below a certain floor (relating to $2/gal) gas or something similar

This would drive some of the costs of inefficiency to supply base companies and other users of fuel that even when paying gas tax actually can just write off 100% of the tax paying net zero .

Sadly getting those who cause the most damage and usually could care less about fuel costs to pay anything is near impossible in our current environment.

An added benefit would be normalizing fuel prices somewhat, so I can’t buy $0.99 fuel half the summer, which apparently most Americans figure is the only price they should pay for fuel and that the expensive $4.50 diesel I had to buy 3 & 4 presidents ago was just my imagination and not anyones fault.

Tax me harder, DADDY.

[rmay635703]

Originally Posted by hayden55

Tax me harder, DADDY.

Your choice Police me harder DADDY or tax entities that mostly don’t affect me harder Daddy.


Even an extraordinarily small supply side tax would be a more efficient profit center than pouring on gigantic taxes on individuals who can simply refuse to pay driving a police state and yes daddy police, courts, and legal waste half of user fees nationwide.

I rather see a use based tax of even 1% on the supply side
Than an additional $1000 a year registration tax on private cars as proposed by the republicans in our state.

Causing even small supply side taxes would affect business decisions on plastics, road types, and transportation types

Well worth getting those who do the crime to pay than trying to get blood out of turnips