02-03-2015, 05:57 PM
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I've wondered how much the thermal E of combustion contributes, too. Probably insignificant compared to the total solar energy that hits the Earth.
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I ran the numbers a few years ago, compared to the energy from the sun our burning fossil fuels is less than the variation from day to day from the sun.
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02-03-2015, 06:43 PM
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I can solve the problem of CO2 pollution as well. Build taller chimneys.
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What could possibly go wrong, stripping earth of carbon and oxygen?
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02-03-2015, 07:33 PM
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Thanks for the responses. I was more interested if there had actually been an acknowledgement from a scientific study about how "creating" water could be affecting our weather/whatever.
I realize there are a lot more pressing issues to take care of and that if the ocean rises a couple feet in the next 100 years, we're humans, we'll adapt.
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"So the argument has always been that the warming trend melts the ice and makes the ocean rise."
you did not specify glacier
but
shall we address that as well
yes
we shall
when and IF glaciers on land masses move or melt , the land under where the former glacier was
rises as in goes up relative to where it used to be with the ice on top
because the weight on it has been removed
think on that for a moment and then
tell me how that can result in
" rising sea level "
remember also
equal and opposite re action , something else shifted down as well
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I think your physics are a little off. Yes the ground would rise as the load is lifted, but how much? Can you quantify that? If not, then how can you possibly say that it matters? Even if a 1 cubic mile glacier melted and the ground under it raised 50ft, it displaced AIR, not WATER. Unlike water, dirt is compressible.
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02-03-2015, 09:19 PM
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"So the argument has always been that the warming trend melts the ice and makes the ocean rise."
when and IF glaciers on land masses move or melt , the land under where the former glacier was
rises as in goes up relative to where it used to be with the ice on top
because the weight on it has been removed
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Its not hardly that simple, the displacement of land upwards is minimal compared to the ice, also the density of the land underneath is not equal to the water, also molten iron (fudge) does not operate like water, also if land moves upward other land bodies need to move downward.
And I can go on, we are talking non-ideal non-linear behaviors that can take hundreds of years to react to something up top in almost the way you think.
So you = FAIL.
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02-03-2015, 09:44 PM
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I smell a thread lock!
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02-03-2015, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mwebb
when and IF glaciers on land masses move or melt , the land under where the former glacier was
rises as in goes up relative to where it used to be with the ice on top
because the weight on it has been removed
think on that for a moment and then
tell me how that can result in
" rising sea level " ]
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1) Rock is about 2.5 times as dense as water: Common Rock Densities Assuming that your claim of the rock rising was correct, and the rise was immediate in human terms (which it's not: much of the northeast is still rebounding from the weight of the last Ice Age's glaciers), the rebound would be only about 40% of the glacier volume.
2) We have a practical example of what happens to sea level when glaciers melt: the last Ice Age, for instance. Here's a neat map of sea levels during that time: Incredible map reveals how world looked during the ice age | Daily Mail Online
Thinking about things is good. You ought to try it sometime.
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02-03-2015, 11:04 PM
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I smell a thread lock!
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*places chip on post #51*
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02-03-2015, 11:40 PM
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Cool! I'll take #50.
Water comes from Outer Space. Suspicious0bservers' content is paywalled, but you can see the chapter headings here. He mentions it frequently on the daily space weather update.
Chapter 1 is ripped off on Youtube [URL=.../watch?v=gBuyqM5u2GY]. 'STARWATER Chapter 1: Water in our Solar System'
Chapter 2 at /watch?v=fDY2SNo6_80. 'STARWATER Chapter 2: Water and the Stars'
And if you prefer more mainstream content, National Geographic has Star Found Shooting Water "Bullets"
markweatherill -- A chimney to above the atmosphere wouldn't draft.
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02-04-2015, 12:03 AM
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x2! Subject is not the can of worms this site is designed to handle.
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02-04-2015, 12:25 AM
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Something is amiss or perhaps awry, I taste a thread lock...
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