School shooting on Brazil Today.

[All Darc]

Redpoint, are you tall, strong or trained in martial arts, Krav Maga???

On Brazil once a criminal tried to broke into a house or a store (don't remamber details) and a private simple security guard (no trained) was able to stop hin. Police arrived, arrested the criminal and also took the security guard to the police station. The security guard had no license for the gun and was keept arrested. The criminal was released before the security guard.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by All Darc

Redpoint, are you tall, strong or trained in martial arts, Krav Maga???

On Brazil once a criminal tried to broke into a house or a store (don't remamber details) and a private simple security guard (no trained) was able to stop hin. Police arrived, arrested the criminal and also took the security guard to the police station. The security guard had no license for the gun and was keept arrested. The criminal was released before the security guard.

I'm tall and stronger than most, but not trained in hand-to-hand combat. Doesn't matter if I was short and weaker than most. Opposing evil needs to happen regardless of the odds.

Shooters could always be stopped if people acted like an angry football mob rather than scared sheep. When shooting happens, people should channel their inner "Occupy Wallstreet" anger.

Any group of people needs a few leaders to give them direction and courage. I probably can't stop a shooter by myself, but if I lead a charge that gives others courage to fight back too, then we win.

Where I live, it is a citizen's right to carry a firearm as long as it is visible. They can carry a firearm concealed if they get a permit. My sister has a concealed permit and carries. Several of my friends conceal carry.

In the US, citizens have the same right to arrest a person committing a felony crime as law enforcement.

We have the same problem of property crime not being punished severely enough. My jetski and trailer was stolen a couple weeks ago. Probably some kid stole it. An appropriate punishment would be community service every weekend for a year if first offense.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by All Darc

I'm in favor of remove guns from criminals, and allow some citizens (especial ones up to in terms of skills and emotional and clean record) to have and carry guns. But USA laws ar far too crazy, allowing almost anyone to buy automatic weapons.

The problem is most of our laws aren't enforceed.
For example, something like 70,000 criminals per year lie on the 4473 instant background check form. It says on this form that if you lie on it there is a possible 5 year prison sentence and 100,000 fine. Only about 1 or 2% of those criminals are ever charged, but around 100% of them go out and buy a stolen or illegal gun.
Then around 70% to 80% of our gun murders are drug, gang, minority related. But non of the politicians care about blacks killing each other.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Shooters could always be stopped if people acted like an angry football mob rather than scared sheep. When shooting happens, people should channel their inner "Occupy Wallstreet" anger.

Yeah never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

As far as engaging the shooter(s) go, I was born to. Doesn't matter if I'm armed or not. Opposing evil is the moral thing to do. Life is always lost, but rarely lived well.

I saw this movie where Ido says "Run Alita!" and she does... right at the bad guy. It's a pivotal point in the story.

[redpoint5]

I have the mindset that problems need to be handled, not passed along to someone else. I don't want to deter criminals from robbing me, I want to stop them. Kicking the can down the road doesn't get rid of the can.

Similarly, if I'm involved in an active shooting scenario, the problem isn't that bullets are flying at me. If that were the root of the problem, running away might solve the problem. The root problem is whackos shooting at people, and it needs to stop.

As I've said, police aren't first responders, they are last responders. We're first responders.

[All Darc]

Redpoint, forgive me for what I will say. But you are being stupid with this thinking. You would probably die and let your wife without a husband and your daughter without a father.

[redpoint5]

I appreciate that perspective.

My wife's hot. She'll do fine finding another husband. Her income matches mine too.

[freebeard]

Redpoint, forgive me for what I will say. But you are being stupid with this thinking. You would probably die and let your wife without a husband and your daughter without a father.

That's putting a lot of weight on a hypothetical.

[Fat Charlie]

The best De-fense is a good O-fence. You know who said that? Mel, the cook on Alice.

Attempting to flee or simply cowering in panic are just as likely to result in your death, and unlikely to improve the overall situation. Refelexively attacking is a risk, yes, but no greater a risk than crying in place.

If finishing your day with a bullet in your head is a given, what other things would you like to happen today? Near the top of my list would be getting near the guy doing the shooting, because a small chance of making your day go better is better than none.

And if even just one other person in that room full of sheep thinks the same way, your chances of success increase greatly.