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Old 05-16-2011, 06:50 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Hmmm... trying to go back through all that silly chemistry I took, trying to think of a single reaction in which the catalyst was consumed. Drawing a blank.

You are being disingenuopus, Rabbit. You are clearly NOT providing a shred of proof that this works, and providing a lot of information that has nothing to do with the basic claim. Buy one, show some A-B-A testing and the public mocking may diminish. I recommend reading this thread:

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Old 05-16-2011, 01:35 PM   #42 (permalink)
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http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...1977016170.pdf

SUIMMARY OF RESULTS
Apparent flame speed and energy balance measurements were used to explain performance and emissions differences between gasoline and gasoline enriched by bottled hydrogen and hydrogen produced by a methanol reformer.
For a single load and engine speed condition, a multicylinder engine operating with lean mixture ratios with and without hydrogen addition gave the following results:

1. Adding small amounts of hydrogen to gasoline produced efficient lean operation by increasing the apparent flame speed and reducing ignition lag.

2. The actual minimum energy consumption was the same for gasoline and hydrogen-gasoline, although the minimum-energy-consumption equivalence ratio decreased from 0.79 to 0.67.

3. Exhaust emissions levels followed the classical trends with changing equivalence ratio. Oxides-of-nitrogen emission levels at the minimum-energy-consumption equivalence ratios were appreciably lower for hydrogen-gasoline than for gasoline. At the same equivalence ratio, in the range of practical interest, NOx emissions were higher for hydrogen-gasoline than for gasoline because of hydrogen's higher peak combustion temperatures.

4. Gasoline with reformed hydrogen gave the highest NOx emission levels. The reformer must produce gas at a high enough temperature to avoid water or methanol condensation. The high inlet temperature can cause higher peak combustion temperatures and, therefore, higher NOx emission levels.

5. The hydrocarbon emission levels of hydrogen-gasoline did not follow the trends reported from lower-compression-ratio engines, in that hydrocarbon emission levels were lower with hydrogen enrichment at equivalence ratios above 0.80. Hydrocarbon emission levels were somewhat higher for hydrogen-gasoline at minimum-energyconsumption equivalence ratios. However, the combustion process for gasoline with bottled hydrogen produced the lowest carbon monoxide emission levels.

6. The steam reformation of methanol is potentially an energy-conserving way to produce onboard hydrogen. A closed-loop control system is required to maintain engine reformer stability and to optimize the total performance and efficiency of the combined reformer -engine system.

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ScienceDirect - International Journal of Hydrogen Energy : Experimental study on thermal efficiency and emission characteristics of a lean burn hydrogen enriched natural gas engine

Showed a 0.01% improvement in efficiency in a CNG powered engine
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ScienceDirect - International Journal of Hydrogen Energy : On-board fuel processor modelling for hydrogen-enriched gasoline fuelled engine

Calculated that for on board generation the generator would have to operate at a 90%+ efficiency for an improvement.
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What is minimum energy consumption equivalence ratio?

Don't have time to read the report atm..
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Ok, let me stop me there... They used a methanol reformer, not an HHO/hydroxy generator, for one thing. For another, would they not have been able to lean the mixture using just the methanol, without adding energy to crack it to hydrogen? If the hydrogen showed net neutral, would the methanol then not have shown a positive decrease in energy consumption, since it wouldn't require energy to prepare?
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Im pretty sure its related to afr

0.79 = 18.6:1
0.67 = 21.9:1
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Ok, let me stop me there... They used a methanol reformer, not an HHO/hydroxy generator, for one thing. For another, would they not have been able to lean the mixture using just the methanol, without adding energy to crack it to hydrogen? If the hydrogen showed net neutral, would the methanol then not have shown a positive decrease in energy consumption, since it wouldn't require energy to prepare?
To be honest I did skim the reports.
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To be honest I did skim the reports.
I got that much from the first page...
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Showed a 0.01% improvement in efficiency in a CNG powered engine
Lol, did they mention the Standard Devation?

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