Should Tahoe Hybrids be allowed to park in the hybrid parking stalls at Ikea?

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

I'm a smug idiot

Just being a hybrid owner for practical benefits (such as cheaper taxes, free access to HOV lanes, exemption of congestion-charge fees, among others) doesn't turn oneself automatically into a smug *******. That only happens when it becomes a matter of feeling "better" than everyone else.

[RedDevil]

All in jest of course.
When I see the economy that some of you achieve without hybrid technology I feel I have little to be smug about

[minispeed]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

I disagree with the way the Tahoe hybrid was conceived, it sounds kinda odd that the "greenest" version had the biggest engine, but if it's hybrid it still qualifies to the parking spots as much as a stereotypical small hybrid.

As I mentioned before I have access to one at work (the pick up version). I read that GM made this choice because it allowed the engine to stay in 4cyl mode a lot longer. I can confirm with a light foot on the pedal it is pretty easy to get it into and keep it in 4cyl mode, but it pops out pretty easily if you're not paying attention, I imagine it would be very hard to keep it in 4cyl mode if it were a smaller engine. The instant fuel economy shows a pretty big change in 4cyl mode.


To flip the conversation a bit I saw this today and looks like Spain is doing the oposite....

madrids-new-parking-meters-cost-more-if-you-drive-a-gas-guzzler

[Joggernot]

It also looks like older vehicles (like we drive) will be charged more. So our efforts would not be recognized in Spain.

[UltArc]

So driving an old Metro and getting 60+ MPG would cost more to park than buying a brand new Prius and parking it.

It makes sense for Spain to try to spend some money.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by UltArc

So driving an old Metro and getting 60+ MPG would cost more to park than buying a brand new Prius and parking it.

It makes sense for Spain to try to spend some money.

That's just one of the reasons Western Europe is nearly bankrupt...

[Tahoe_Hybrid]

Originally Posted by ecomodded

A spade is a spade so it gets to park in the spot , embarrassingly , with its shameless 20/23 mpg city/highway mileage.

I know this thread is old for

I have one and you can squeeze a lot more then 20/23
there is soo much untapped potential ..



39.9 City(Actual at the pump) and 27.8MPG Highway 59MPH with CC is my best
Almost 40MPG out of it in the city (at 41MPH with cruse control 0% grade)
0MPH wind...


65MPG @ 70-75mph(v4 Mode Cruse control OFF) tailgating a 18wheeler with a trailer-tail.. the ones with out the trailer tail offer zero benefit. even a loss of mpg slightly about 1-2mpg (at 25-26mpg)....



so 40MPG/27.8MPG is possible under "hypermiling"..

40MPG MY City/65MPG HYW under SUPER hypermiling


it's running highway gears 3.08 RWD

[Xist]

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Originally Posted by Tahoe_Hybrid

I know this thread is old for I have one and you can squeeze a lot more then

than, FYI

20/23 there is soo much untapped potential .. 39.9 City(Actual at the pump) and 27.8MPG Highway 59MPH with CC is my best Almost 40MPG out of it in the city (at 41MPH with cruse control 0% grade) 0MPH wind...

You do not have fuel logs, in fact, we do not have any reported Tahoe hybrid fuel logs, the average reported fuel economy on EPA.gov is 23 MPG, and the average reported fuel economy on fuelly.com is:

18.1 MPG for 2008
18.57 for 2009
None for 2010
15.32 for 2011
None for 2012 and
18.35 for 2013

65MPG @ 70-75mph(v4 Mode Cruse control OFF) tailgating a 18wheeler with a trailer-tail.. the ones with out the trailer tail offer zero benefit. even a loss of mpg slightly about 1-2mpg (at 25-26mpg)....

In what world is drafting a more aerodynamic vehicle infinitely better than driving behind one that leaves a bigger wake?

Zero benefit. People with poor decision-making abilities have been doing this for decades.

* In scaled wind-tunnel tests, driving 100 feet behind a semi at 55 mph will reduce drag on your car by 40%. The drag reduction increases as you approach the bumper of the truck until you get a 93% drag reduction at a distance of 2 feet.

* In road tests, the testers achieved an almost 20% improvement in gas mileage at a distance of 100 feet (at 55 mph) and a 45% improvement at 10 feet.

Tim also calculates that at 100 feet you have 1.25 seconds to respond if the truck slams on the brakes, (keep off that cell phone) and at ten feet you have .124 seconds. The recommended distance at 55 miles per hour is 150 feet.

https://www.treehugger.com/cars/draf...s-it-work.html

so 40MPG/27.8MPG is possible under "hypermiling"..

40MPG MY City/65MPG HYW under SUPER hypermiling drafting

fixed

it's running highway gears 3.08 RWD

https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/...-enough-260370

Get out of here with your drafting MPG. I am sure that a hummer would see "decent" fuel economy drafting a semi. Do it long enough and either you have a friendly chat with the back of a trailer or a highway patrolman.

AutoTrader said that there were honest gas savings with the hybrid Tahoe (over the gas-only one), but I am not sure that it would have paid off. The LS started at $36,500, but the hybrid started at $50,500, and gas dropped below $1.60 a gallon.

They said the hybrid increased fuel economy from 16 MPG to 21. Sixteen MPG at $1.60 a gallon (I miss those days!) is 10¢ per gallon. Twenty-one MPG at that same price was 7.6¢.

You would need to drive forty-two miles to recover $1 of the $14,000 surcharge. You would have needed to drive 588,000 miles to break even.

In a Chevrolet.

In a hybrid.

Yes, well, new SUV buyer's thoughts are not my thoughts.

Used, though, it sounds much more reasonable. I got a KBB price for one Tahoe, but just errors when I tried to get the other. Nada Guides says a 2013 LS is worth $15,500 and a hybrid is valued at $18,650.

The average gas price in the U.S. today is $2.838. The gasser would cost 17.7¢ per gallon and the hybrid would run you 13.5¢. Saving 4.2¢ per gallon, you would need to drive 75,000 miles.

In a Chevrolet.

In a hybrid.

By the way, you an hypermile a gas-only Tahoe, too.

[Tahoe_Hybrid]

Originally Posted by Xist

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than, FYI



You do not have fuel logs, in fact, we do not have any reported Tahoe hybrid fuel logs, the average reported fuel economy on EPA.gov is 23 MPG, and the average reported fuel economy on fuelly.com is:

18.1 MPG for 2008
18.57 for 2009
None for 2010
15.32 for 2011
None for 2012 and
18.35 for 2013



In what world is drafting a more aerodynamic vehicle infinitely better than driving behind one that leaves a bigger wake?

Zero benefit. People with poor decision-making abilities have been doing this for decades.

https://www.treehugger.com/cars/draf...s-it-work.html



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https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/...-enough-260370

Get out of here with your drafting MPG. I am sure that a hummer would see "decent" fuel economy drafting a semi. Do it long enough and either you have a friendly chat with the back of a trailer or a highway patrolman.

AutoTrader said that there were honest gas savings with the hybrid Tahoe (over the gas-only one), but I am not sure that it would have paid off. The LS started at $36,500, but the hybrid started at $50,500, and gas dropped below $1.60 a gallon.

They said the hybrid increased fuel economy from 16 MPG to 21. Sixteen MPG at $1.60 a gallon (I miss those days!) is 10¢ per gallon. Twenty-one MPG at that same price was 7.6¢.

You would need to drive forty-two miles to recover $1 of the $14,000 surcharge. You would have needed to drive 588,000 miles to break even.

In a Chevrolet.

In a hybrid.

Yes, well, new SUV buyer's thoughts are not my thoughts.

Used, though, it sounds much more reasonable. I got a KBB price for one Tahoe, but just errors when I tried to get the other. Nada Guides says a 2013 LS is worth $15,500 and a hybrid is valued at $18,650.

The average gas price in the U.S. today is $2.838. The gasser would cost 17.7¢ per gallon and the hybrid would run you 13.5¢. Saving 4.2¢ per gallon, you would need to drive 75,000 miles.

In a Chevrolet.

In a hybrid.

By the way, you an hypermile a gas-only Tahoe, too.

got it with 84,000 miles


0.181¢/ miles calculated data from the last 2900 miles price is 4.199/gallon locally for premium fuel 91 octane Chevron. top tier..

the cost per mile should drop as prices drop..

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by Xist

In what world is drafting a more aerodynamic vehicle infinitely better than driving behind one that leaves a bigger wake?

Zero benefit. People with poor decision-making abilities have been doing this for decades.

First of all I want to stress that you should always leave a safe distance of at least 2 seconds and make sure you can see at leas one of the truckers mirrors. If you can see the mirrors the trucker can see a good part of your car.

One problem with drafting a square box truck is the buffeting in the wake. The vortices disrupt the wake for several seconds behind the truck. Fairings pretty much eliminate that and leave a cleanish wake which is much better for drafting, even if if reduces overall drag.

Even at a safe distance the effect is noticeable, and when it is busy the mass of traffic will draw air along like a conveyor belt in which wake effects remain stronger at distance, especially on windless days or in tunnels etc.