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Old 02-19-2019, 11:59 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Lithium ion batteries are not bad for the environment, except for normal mining impacts to land. You can throw lithium ion batteries away as they are safer than alkaline batteries.

The case for the danger of lithium ion batteries compared to gasoline is weak. They are orders of magnitude safer than gasoline, mostly because it isn't a tank of liquid and because there's a lot less energy contained within.

Storing nuclear fuel is not a problem. People like to say it could be a problem, but so could a meteorite headed for earth. It's that level of probability with way lower risks. If Nevada shakes to pieces due to an earthquake that results in loss of containment of nuclear fuel, the radiation in the remote storage location is the least of anyone's problems.

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Old 02-19-2019, 01:48 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Not really.
In 2014 or 2015 a guy in california had a negligent discharg of a 9mm hand gun while diving a tesla. He put a 9mm bullet into the battery pack and the car burst into flames.
If a gasoline tank is penetrated in such a way about 99% of the time nothing happens besides the gasoline pouring out.
If a cell is damaged in such a way it's going to burn the car to the ground every time.

Nuclear fuels are very stable. Aside from very highly enriched uranium, which is only used in navy vessels, research reactors and Syrian atomic weapons.
But mixed oxide fuel (the recycled stuff), normal 3% enriched uranium for commercial power generation, plutonium for nuclear weapons, plutonium for nuclear powered space craft and depleted uranium are all very stable.

The most unstable stuff by far is spent nuclear fuel.
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Hydrogen from natural gas produces CO2 and CO. Not an ecological solution. I was posting about a process in development that produces no green house gas:es.

From your viewpoint, I can see why you don't care how dirty your electricity is.

I, on the other hand am looking to the future of far cleaner ICE fuels.
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Not really.
In 2014 or 2015 a guy in california had a negligent discharg of a 9mm hand gun while diving a tesla. He put a 9mm bullet into the battery pack and the car burst into flames.
If a gasoline tank is penetrated in such a way about 99% of the time nothing happens besides the gasoline pouring out.
If a cell is damaged in such a way it's going to burn the car to the ground every time.
Anecdotes prove nothing other than some people are stupid. The largest cause of car fires isn't 9mm bullets; it's overheating or accidents that ignite spilled fuel or oil.

EVs travel more miles per fire than petrol vehicles, by orders of magnitude. Driving an EV may not be as safe as cooping up in a padded room, but it's safe when compared to ICE vehicles.
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It's going to take huge amounts of energy to compress hydrogen and move it around.
Depending on the pressures and assuming it will be moved around kind of the same way liquid fuels are then up to 25% of the energy of the fuel will be used to compress and transport it.

I burn coal to heat my house. Not going to worry about the power company burning it to make electricity.
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As you have shown, you don't care about global warming. Some of us do.
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Why we don't do something different with our nuclear waste is beyond me. I think there's a ban in place that prevents people from recycling it. Instead the government just secretly ships it to Nevada. A much better alternative is to pay another country to take it if we won't recycle it here.

If a gasoline car catches on fire, the fire will be contained in the engine bay or outside where fuel has spilled, and where the gas tank is located. Though gas burns hot and fast, I think my chances for survival are much better in that situation than the fire coming from directly underneath of me.
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Gas tanks and battery packs usually aren't damaged in most crashes. But if an EV pack sustains catastrophic penetrating damage a pack fire is pretty much guaranteed.

Nope. Obama very quietly restarted the US nuclear waste recycling program back around 2014 and started revitalizing the US nuclear weapons program pumping tens of millions of dollars into it.
One of the few intelligent things he did.
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