The Slow Death of the Internal Combustion Engine

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by sendler

Any region that hurries to squeeze out it's remaining oil now is a fool. 30 years from now any remaining oil will be invaluable for mining, farming, and construction. It will be a miracle aquisition of sapience if humans can avert World War III during the comming collapse and reorganization.

It's a sign of impatience (immaturity?). With time the reserves are replenished from deep, hot abiotic sources.

[sendler]

Originally Posted by freebeard

It's a sign of impatience (immaturity?). With time the reserves are replenished from deep, hot abiotic sources.

Yes. Marine deposits of dead plankton. Compressed and heated for 5 million years. And then abducted back to the surface. I can't wait.

[Taylor95]

Originally Posted by sendler

Actually OPEC has worked to drive oil price down since they are the only producers who can make money at $50 oil. USA fracked oil is bilking their investors and running at a slight loss at that price. Any region that hurries to squeeze out it's remaining oil now is a fool. 30 years from now any remaining oil will be invaluable for mining, farming, and construction. It will be a miracle aquisition of sapience if humans can avert World War III during the comming collapse and reorganization.
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What time frame do you foresee as the future? 20-30 years? What are "they" going to do 100 years from now when natural gas is also gone? 1,000years? How long do you think it takes to replace all infrastructure for 8 billion people to live without oil which gives us 35% of primary energy. How do we build these new energy sources and replacement infrastructure and electrification without affordable liquid fuel for our big machines if we continue to squander it in 20 mpg SUV's until it is too late to change?

Why would they cut production by 2 million bpd of they want prices lower? That's like 18% of their normal production numbers.

I see 40-50 years as the forseeable future. The article I cited predicted 50-250 years of oil left. What we really need is to find reliable sources of energy to produce electricity, such as nuclear.

[sendler]

We are now using 4x more oil than we are finding. Fracking shale is the source rock. After this there is nothing else but energetically expensive tar sand. eventually it will take more energy to get than it gives back. We need to take what we have left to focus on setting up civilization to survive as best without it. Everything needs to change.
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[freebeard]

Originally Posted by sendler

Yes. Marine deposits of dead plankton. Compressed and heated for 5 million years. And then abducted back to the surface. I can't wait.

That's what I'm saying. We're pumping it faster than it's being replenished.The plankton in the ocean are outweighed bu the bacteria living in the crust.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=deep+hot+abiotic+oil+precursors

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Abiogenic petroleum origin is a term used to describe a number of different hypotheses which propose that petroleum and natural gas deposits are mostly formed by inorganic means rather than by the decomposition of organisms. Thomas Gold's deep gas hypothesis states that the origin of some natural gas deposits were formed out of hydrocarbons deep in the earth's mantle. Theories explaining the origin of petroleum as abiotic, however, generally not well accepted by the scientific community.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abioge...enic_petroleum

Primordial deposits
5.2 Creation within the mantle
5.3 Hydrogen generation
5.4 Serpentinite mechanism
5.5 Spinel polymerization mechanism
5.6 Carbonate decomposition

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The shock came when she realized the microbes in the gabbroic layer were totally different from those that lived in basalt.

"We did not see any overlay in the microbial community at all, so that was a surprise," Mason told OurAmazingPlanet.

Stephen Giovannoni, a professor and microbiologist at Oregon State University, said that of the bacteria Mason discovered, almost all seem to live on hydrocarbons (organic chemicals that are made up mostly of hydrogen and carbon), in particular, methane.

Giovannoni compared the newfound microbes to the oil-digesting organisms that seemingly consumed much of the oil also a hydrocarbon that gushed into the Gulf of Mexico during the BP oil spill earlier this year.

Adding intrigue to the story, it appears the hydrocarbons these deep-dwelling microbes eat may be produced inside the Earth itself, in a mysterious process entirely independent of the power of the sun, the energy source for almost all life on our planet.

https://www.livescience.com/29857-mi...ths-crust.html

[sendler]

Originally Posted by Taylor95

The article I cited predicted 50-250 years of oil left. What we really need is to find reliable sources of energy to produce electricity, such as nuclear.

Of course any amount of oil remaining can be said to "last 250 years" if there is enough downward pressure to bring consumption to near zero.

[Taylor95]

Originally Posted by sendler

Of course any amount of oil remaining can be said to "last 250 years" if there is enough downward pressure to bring consumption to near zero.

Reducing our dependence on oil is just something we should be doing. We have 100 years of oil left if you include everything that is technically recoverable, at current production rates. 250 if you include everything else.

[redpoint5]

It's pointless to say we have x number of years of something. We have practically infinite number of years of everything. The question is, how much will we have access to in x number of years.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Bold portion says it all.

[freebeard]

I could have cut that part off, but chose not to. 'Generally not well accepted' sounds acceptable to me.

To some, the electric universe is 'generally not well accepted'.

I was waiting at the bus stop and this guy told me he gotten a second opinion that he doesn't have cancer. I was reminded of Scott Adam's saying people believe the last thing they heard. Wouldn't you need a third opinion as a tie-breaker?