The Slow Death of the Internal Combustion Engine

[freebeard]

At my rates where I live....

It costs twice as much to recharge if you are across the river.

[Taylor95]

Useable electric pickup trucks will definitely hasten the acceptance of EVs.

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/general...lectric-pickup

Tesla claims to have a pickup with a 500 mile range on the way. These would be great as long as the range isn't halved by a load.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by Taylor95

Useable electric pickup trucks will definitely hasten the acceptance of EVs.

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/general...lectric-pickup

Tesla claims to have a pickup with a 500 mile range on the way. These would be great as long as the range isn't halved by a load.

The range will be cut in half by putting enough trailer behind it. Putting stuff in the bed that doesn't stick up above the cab won't do much to the range.

[redpoint5]

Load hardly affects efficiency. 500 miles range is too much, and very few people would buy it.

[slowmover]

And THAT in warm weather.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Load hardly affects efficiency. 500 miles range is too much, and very few people would buy it.

I agree. Even 300 miles is pushing the price / functionality equation.

99% of trips are less than 100 miles. How much is a buyer willing to pay to add a fraction of a percentage?

[Taylor95]

I would want (and use) that much range. That is the minimum I would want on a truck. I would be using it to tow a vehicle long distances, so Tesla's claims are appealing. If I only had 80% of the range while towing, that would be fantastic.

If something like that is not available, then I suppose that diesel is the only good option for towing 100+ miles.

Edit: 500 miles of range would also be very appealing to people who own campers. I can see a good market for this kind of truck.

[oil pan 4]

To get 500 miles of range in a pickup is probably going to take around 160kwh.
Thats if you can get 3.2 miles per kwh and I think that is being very optimistic. The nissan leaf is rated for 2.9 miles per kwh, but almost everyone gets more than that.
Right now a battery like that would cost at least $20,000.
But the tesla truck has one thing going for it, people don't seem to mind buying a 60, 70 or even 80 thousand dollar new pickups these days.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Taylor95

I would want (and use) that much range. That is the minimum I would want on a truck. I would be using it to tow a vehicle long distances, so Tesla's claims are appealing. If I only had 80% of the range while towing, that would be fantastic.

If something like that is not available, then I suppose that diesel is the only good option for towing 100+ miles.

Edit: 500 miles of range would also be very appealing to people who own campers. I can see a good market for this kind of truck.

You'd need about a 240 kWh battery for 500 miles of range on a truck. Assuming Tesla can achieve $100/kWh, that is $24,000 for the battery alone, and does not include the markup to the customer, which would probably double the price to $48,000. Then you need the rest of the truck, motor, and electronics. Probably a $100,000 rig.

If you've got $100k to drop on a pickup that is slow to recharge, and would gladly pay it, then that puts you in the minority.

In principle, it doesn't really matter the range of the battery if you have to stop to charge along the way. As long as the battery is large enough to charge at the maximum rate, then there's not much point in making it larger.

Range with a trailer is mostly dependent on aerodynamics. I've got a Harbor Freight 4x8 trailer, and when the 2' walls are up, it acts like a parachute. Wouldn't be surprised if it took 35% off the range.

...and as Slowmover mentioned, cold can nearly cut the range by 1/3.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Taylor95

I would want (and use) that much range. That is the minimum I would want on a truck. I would be using it to tow a vehicle long distances, so Tesla's claims are appealing. If I only had 80% of the range while towing, that would be fantastic.

If something like that is not available, then I suppose that diesel is the only good option for towing 100+ miles.

Edit: 500 miles of range would also be very appealing to people who own campers. I can see a good market for this kind of truck.

How much are you willing to pay for that extra range? Nissan is charging $6500 to add 22 kWh and 75 miles range to the Leaf. Tesla charges $10K to add 85 miles of range to the Model S.