Small / economy car deathwatch: we've passed "peak econobox" again

[freebeard]

Diversion? I'm soaking in it. I just finished this:

This Video is Controversial. Click At Your Own Risk

Intro finished at 2:35. I watch Metatron and Shadiversity from time to time but today's video is seriously on off topic.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by repoint5

Have you decided if it's better to be correct, or effective in moving people generally in a positive direction?

I strive to be correct, but don't have a clue on how to move people in any direction. Else we'd all be living in mud bubbles.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Bicycle Bob

Interesting diversion. I grew up thinking that a radical new idea only needed to be proven reasonably well and published to be accepted, like Relativity was. Now, I can't think of another great idea that didn't have to be sold almost as hard as a bad one. When John Cleese happens to meet someone who he thinks is very good at their profession, he asks them how many of their peers really understand it, rather than depending on what worked yesterday, and gets estimates from 5% to 20%, averaging around 12. Dunning-Kruger syndrome keeps the majority from knowing that they are actually floundering, or that some others are not.

Do you think institutions of knowledge used to have more fidelity, or do you think they were always as susceptible to corruption but lacked the speed of technology to spread as quickly?

Reminds me of the "grievance studies affair" where the gatekeepers of knowledge were tested with made up "science" that used preferred jargon and value systems, with a surprising acceptance rate.

I'm probably more susceptible to Dunning-Kruger than most, which is also why I throw my thoughts out to the public for scrutiny. My personality seeks the line, and then wonders what would happen with 1 more step.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by DDG

Prussian education system
The Prussian education system refers to the system of education established in Prussia as a result of educational reforms in the late 18th and early 19th century, which has had widespread influence since. Wikipedia

https://archives.stgeorgeutah.com › news › archive › 2012 › 03 › 14 › our-prussian-model-of-public-schooling-controlling-the-masses
Our Prussian model of public schooling; controlling the masses
To that end, the Prussian educational system sought to take education out of the hands of family and church with five key goals in mind. It was to create: Obedient workers for the mines....

hackeducation.com › 2015 › 04 › 25 › factory-model
The Invented History of 'The Factory Model of Education'
There was free public education in the US too prior to Horace Mann's introduction of the "Prussian model" - the so-called "charity schools." There were other, competing models for arranging classrooms and instruction as well, notably the " monitorial system " (more on that below).

It started with the Marxist Long March Through the Institutions.

Originally Posted by DDG

Long march through the institutions
The long march through the institutions is a slogan coined by socialist student activist Rudi Dutschke around 1967 to describe his strategy to create radical change in government by becoming part of it. The phrase "long march" is a reference to the physical Long March of the Chinese communist army. Wikipedia

I may have walked up to the line, leaned over and looked down, but I never took another step.

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The SA perspective is that we can't not be indoctrinated. If that's true, then it's best to be indoctrinated by the better things than the worse things.

For those who don't believe in better and worse, there's no point in having a discussion about anything whatsoever.

[Bicycle Bob]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Do you think institutions of knowledge used to have more fidelity, or do you think they were always as susceptible to corruption but lacked the speed of technology to spread as quickly?

Reminds me of the "grievance studies affair" where the gatekeepers of knowledge were tested with made up "science" that used preferred jargon and value systems, with a surprising acceptance rate.

I'm probably more susceptible to Dunning-Kruger than most, which is also why I throw my thoughts out to the public for scrutiny. My personality seeks the line, and then wonders what would happen with 1 more step.

"Institutions of knowledge" had to fight with religious dogma for centuries, and there was no clear separation of belief systems. Newton spent years seriously trying to put numbers on Christian mythology. A list of reasons for admission to a mental institution 200 years ago is bizarre now, but every change had staunch opponents. By 1900, physicists thought that they only had a few loose ends to finish up, and the head of the US Patent office expected to see it close for lack of new business. In 1900, we didn't even know how solids stuck together or came apart, and metallurgy was barely out of the age of superstition. By 1965, when I was looking at Universities, there were still tenured professors who wouldn't accept plate tectonics. Not much later, all the social sciences were overwhelmed by new dogma. If technology has sped up the churn, I don't know. People seem to have their range of opinion pretty much baked in, and just rationalize their decisions to fit. Maybe the excuses change faster now?

BTW, Richard Feynman won a prize in English by padding his paper with technical synonyms, blindly imitating a preferred style with new words.

[freebeard]

www.zerohedge.com/markets: Hertz Begins Dumping 20,000 EVs In Shift Back To Petrol Cars

The company is selling older Teslas on its website. EV blog Electrek said, "There were some nice deals available."

2021 Model 3s for $23K.

By 1965, when I was looking at Universities, there were still tenured professors who wouldn't accept plate tectonics. Not much later, all the social sciences were overwhelmed by new dogma.

Marxists in my Honors English program in 1962.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by freebeard

www.zerohedge.com/markets: Hertz Begins Dumping 20,000 EVs In Shift Back To Petrol Cars
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Odd spin. The EVs Hertz is selling are 3 years old with 60K - 95K miles. That is about when rental companies sell cars because nobody wants to rent an old car.

Right now Hertz has 247 hybrids, 324 electric, and 22,000 gasoline cars for sale on their website.

Right now they have 1,900 Chevy Equinoxs for sale. I guess they are "dumping" the Equinox too.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Bicycle Bob

"Institutions of knowledge" had to fight with religious dogma for centuries

I've heard both sides of this argument from many angles. New ideas always have to contend with dogma. Most new ideas fail against established patterns because most ideas are not better. Innovation requires some new and better ideas to displace the established ideas. That's always a messy process.

Religious institutions were also some of the first scientific institutions. Turns out learning how God's universe and laws work is an interest of religious types.

By 1965, when I was looking at Universities, there were still tenured professors who wouldn't accept plate tectonics

... and now most professors think sex is a social construct, but some people were born into the wrong body.

Was blood letting worse, or the dismemberment of functional bodily organs?

[freebeard]

This segment -- youtu.be/6SqkuI-pYt4?t=325 has the CEO saying they are attriting the fleet for economic reasons, Tesla has lowered the new car price and they are expensive when the customers play bumpercar.