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Old 11-06-2014, 01:48 AM   #21 (permalink)
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WHOA what a rip off... Especially since they arent bold enough to also claim an increase of torque, horsepower, and maroon paint while decreasing celebrity endorsements for less than half the price like cal-cat. CalCat Gasoline Kit |Cal-Cat Gasoline System | gas conditioning system

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Old 11-06-2014, 02:39 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Think of all that highly volatile, unstable fuel heading back into the tank via the return line. KABOOM! Heh heh.
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Seems like a safety hazard that they don't sell an optional de-ionizing, recombining fuel cooler, for installation on the return line. They're probably counting on these going on newer vehicles which are increasingly returnless.
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Old 11-06-2014, 04:26 AM   #24 (permalink)
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200MC, I am glad you shared that! Foose's product seemed to focus more on the catalyst while CalCat talked about heating the fuel so the catalyst could work--I did not realize the Phoenix heated the fuel until someone pointed it out.

The CalCat does not have any "test data," just six testimonials and then states:

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I get a red broken line. What were they using that they did not?

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What is the Cal-Cat?

Cal-Cat is short for Calorie-Catalyst. It is a coolant to fuel heat exchanger that uses wasted or unused heat from the engines coolant to heat the fuel and the Catalyst inside the catalyst chamber. By heating the fuel we are able to speed up its ability to vaporize inside the engines intake manifold and inside the cylinder.

How Does the Cal-Cat Work?

By heating the catalyst inside the Cal-Cat, The catalyst reacts with the fuel molecules and helps them to break down large Hydrogen/Carbon chains to make them so that they too will be able to be used earlier in the combustion process. Normally these Hydrogen /Carbon chains do not vaporize until very late in the combustion process if they vaporize at all while in the combustion chamber.
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What is the Phoenix Fuel Converter?
A Phoenix Fuel Converter is a coolant to catalyst heat exchanger that uses wasted or unused heat from the engines coolant to heat the Catalyst inside the catalyst chamber. By creating a catalytic reaction with the fuel we are able to speed up its ability to vaporize inside the engines intake manifold and inside the cylinder. The catalyst reacts with the fuel molecules and helps them to break down large Hydrogen/Carbon chains, so that they will be able to be used earlier in the combustion process. Normally the larger Hydrogen /Carbon chains do not vaporize under normal OEM standards until very late in the combustion process if they vaporize at all while in the combustion chamber.
The Phoenix Fuel Converter does not make fuel. It allows more of the fuel going into the engine to vaporize earlier, which in turn enables more of the fuel to produce power not wasted as heat in the exhaust or as pollutants in the air.
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Old 11-06-2014, 10:06 AM   #25 (permalink)
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If I understand the flow to the heater core, this is a bad design.
Its installed in-line with the heater core, either the input or output line.
It is only fully functional "IF" the heat is in the any place but cold position.
It will get residual heat if the flow is off or low
Who wants the heat on all the time.
For this design to work all the time it would need to be in the flow all the time not whenever the heater is used.
So it would need to have a heater core bypass or be installed in the larger rad hose.
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So they have a magic catalyst that will increase the octane of your fuel that operates below 100C?
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The oil refining industry would pay hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars for a catalyst that would do what this one promises.

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Old 11-06-2014, 02:41 PM   #30 (permalink)
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200MC, I am glad you shared that! Foose's product seemed to focus more on the catalyst while CalCat talked about heating the fuel so the catalyst could work--I did not realize the Phoenix heated the fuel until someone pointed it out.

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Yes, extremely similar.... I'd keep them in the corral together, and reserve the spot next to those 2 for another company has the manufacturer paint one green and makes slightly different claims

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