Speaking of MADD...

[Frank Lee]

Frank,

That's right. Eliminate.

Picture a day when, if a driver is drunk, the car won't let them drive. Imagine that this technology is reliable, voluntary, and cheaper than the break you will get on your car insurance for having it on your car.

Best of all, imagine that almost 12,000 people are alive and 400,000 are uninjured each year who would normally have been impacted by drunk driving.

The beginning of that day is here. The bipartisan bill launched by Senators Udall and Corker yesterday provides $12 million each year to fund the government's portion of research into advanced technology. Automakers are also putting up money for this research.

This research, if funded, is aimed at having a prototype of these technologies ready by 2013 and building from there. This is the technology that could eliminate drunk driving.

You can make a huge difference in two ways:

We need your help to get senators to support this legislation. You can email your senators in two minutes here.
We need your financial support. Your $18 per month -- less than a dollar a day -- can provide a day of training to a public policy volunteer to help them advocate for this and other anti-drunk driving legislation.
We'd appreciate your voice and any support you can give. Together, we can eliminate drunk driving -- we really can.

Thank you for your help,
Laura Dean-Mooney
MADD National President

Thought I was exaggerating when I said they will stop at nothing less than "ZERO" huh...

Note how the projected numbers of lives saved is ever-changing... so far it's been 12000, 9000, 8000, and 7000...

[tjts1]

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

It is an alcohol interlock system not just for convicted drunks... for EVERYONE.

And your problem with this is what exactly?

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

Note how the projected numbers of lives saved is ever-changing... so far it's been 12000, 9000, 8000, and 7000...

So at how many thousands of people do you draw the line?

[Frank Lee]

Originally Posted by tjts1

And your problem with this is what exactly?

If you didn't see it the first time, why would you see it now?

So at how many thousands of people do you draw the line?

The number is irrelevant as things like the percentage of accidents per # of drivers on the road, # miles travelled, etc. are a better gauge. Does the # of drunk driving incidents stand out above the noise from all the other causal factors in accidents? And if so, is it by an unreasonable amount?

[euromodder]

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

It is an alcohol interlock system not just for convicted drunks... for EVERYONE.

And THAT's crossing the line !
It's much like accusing and condemning everyone of drinking & driving, and then punishing them for it.

With this kind of reasoning, you could just as well put anyone and everyone in jail, to prevent they might ever develop some criminal behaviour.

[Frank Lee]

Exactly. Ever seen The Minority Report?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_Report_(film)

[Frank Lee]

People keep getting killed by hammer strikes. Enough is enough. I'm forming a group to stop this carnage. We will not rest until there are zero hammer fatalities.

Well? What number of hammer fatalities is acceptable?

Are not those lives worth saving? What should be done?

[dcb]

It would suck if you were late for work because of using mouthwash, and there are many other (better?) ways to be under the influence besides goddamn C2H50H.

[euromodder]

Originally Posted by dcb

It would suck if you were late for work because of using mouthwash, and there are many other (better?) ways to be under the influence besides goddamn C2H50H.

Mouthwash fluid works great against the saliva tests recently introduced in Belgium to detect drugs.

Anyone using rilatine or codeine tests positive, those who've used cannabis + mouthwash go undetected. Brilliant.

[Piwoslaw]

I recently read that Russia has an "alco-laser-radar" which can detect alcohol fumes in a car going as fast 200km/h. Polish police will be testing it soon. This device will definitely lead to people being pulled over just because one of the passengers was drunk, but will this also lead to more drunk drivers getting caught before they kill someone? It will help police make an educated guess which car to stop, instead to the almost random method used now. Supposedly the Russian device can even tell (from a distance) which person the alcohol is coming from, but I somehow find that hard to believe...

[tjts1]

The same kind of short sighted arguments were used against mandatory seat bet usage. Its all fun and games until a DWI driver sends one of your family members into intensive care. I've been there. Its not an experience I would wish on anybody.