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 12-29-2008, 11:19 PM #1 (permalink) Master EcoModder     Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: North Andover, MA Posts: 857 Bone's 2010 Prius - '10 Toyota Prius Black 90 day: 56.78 mpg (US) Thanks: 5 Thanked 23 Times in 19 Posts A Step in the Right Direction? Oregon moving towards mileage tax instead of gas tax...read below... Albany Democrat Herald: Archived Articles __________________ My Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/p...?id=1268001941 My Twitter: http://twitter.com/bone1124
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12-30-2008, 12:22 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Sounds like it taxes the economic cars more, based on the taxes they listed.

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 A GPS-based system kept track of the in-state mileage driven by the volunteers. When they bought fuel, a device in their vehicles was read, and they paid 1.2 cents a mile and got a refund of the state gas tax of 24 cents a gallon.
30 MPG vehicle:
300 miles = \$3.60
10 gallons = \$2.40
Assuming gas is \$2/gallon : \$20 - \$2.40 + \$3.60 = \$21.20 = \$2.12/gallon overall

10 MPG vehicle:
300 miles = \$3.60
30 gallons = \$7.20
Assuming gas is \$2/gallon : \$60 - \$7.20 + \$3.60 = \$56.4 = \$1.88/gallon overall

So, if you drive economically, you pay more per gallon than you do if you drive like you don't care. I guess overall, you still pay more if you drive poorly, but you wouldn't get taxed as much as if you drove carefully. It punishes the economical vehicles while it helps the low MPG vehicles.
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 12-30-2008, 12:25 AM #3 (permalink) Master EcoModder   Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Eugene, OR, USA Posts: 330 Lord Vader - '15 BMW i3 REx 90 day: 35.06 mpg (US) Thanks: 71 Thanked 147 Times in 110 Posts My understanding is that in official terms, this idea has been a non-starter, and I am personally against it because it removes the burden from gas guzzlers via the fuel tax. In other words, cheaper fuel for all, spreading the tax burden out onto those who choose to drive more efficient vehicles. Basically they are just trying to change the color of the lipstick on the pig and charge the owners of more efficient vehicles disproportionately more for the damage that the larger vehicles do to the road. In a nutshell, it's crap. __________________ 2015 BMW i3 REx 2011 Ford Flex SEL AWD
 12-30-2008, 12:27 AM #4 (permalink) Civic 4 Life     Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: USA Posts: 229 Civics Lesson - '08 Honda Civic LX Team Honda 90 day: 40.53 mpg (US) Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post I don't fully understand, but it feels like a step in the wrong direction for me. I can understand a justification, that the more miles you drive the more damage you're doing to the roads, so they more you should pay for them. However, my Civic does a lot less damage to roads than a big SUV. Wouldn't this mileage tax DISCOURAGE getting a more efficient vehicle and driving it efficiently if gas were even cheaper--no state gas tax if you're using the mileage tracker? If you aren't getting the revenue you need from the gas tax, raise it. __________________
 12-30-2008, 12:39 AM #5 (permalink) (:     Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: up north Posts: 12,752 Blue - '93 Ford Tempo Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US) F150 - '94 Ford F150 XLT 4x4 90 day: 18.5 mpg (US) Sport Coupe - '92 Ford Tempo GL Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US) ShWing! - '82 honda gold wing Interstate 90 day: 33.65 mpg (US) Moon Unit - '98 Mercury Sable LX Wagon 90 day: 21.24 mpg (US) Thanks: 1,581 Thanked 3,533 Times in 2,209 Posts It's too big brother for me. __________________
 12-30-2008, 04:09 AM #6 (permalink) 93 Metro Streamliner   Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 180 AeroMetro - '93 Geo Metro Thanks: 1 Thanked 14 Times in 7 Posts Nope, disincentivises good fuel economy.
 12-30-2008, 09:19 AM #7 (permalink) EcoModding Dilatant   Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NC Posts: 262 Volvo - '00 Volvo V70 XC AWD SE 90 day: 27.7 mpg (US) Thanks: 4 Thanked 26 Times in 16 Posts This clearly makes drivers with efficient cars subsidize SUV drivers. That seems way wrong to me. I have an EZ-Pass transmitter assigned to my car that transmits data when I go through toll booths. The toll booth knows the size of the car the transmitter is assigned to, so bigger vehicles pay higher tolls. By having similar transmitters send vehicle data to the gas pump it would seem easy enough to charge a variable per-mile tax based on the vehicle. That way a fuel efficient car could be charged less tax per mile than an SUV. Or, the per-mile charge could be associated with vehicle weight. There are any number of ways that are better than just mindlessly charging every car the same per mile tax. What a boon to the trucking industry a one size fits all tax would be! Wonder who is behind the idea? Last edited by instarx; 12-30-2008 at 09:25 AM..
 12-30-2008, 12:18 PM #8 (permalink) Master EcoModder   Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Earth Posts: 5,209 Thanks: 225 Thanked 808 Times in 592 Posts I'd bet on urban legend: the same story's been around in various forms for a decade or more.
 12-30-2008, 01:08 PM #9 (permalink) Legend in my own mind     Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Homestead, Fl. Posts: 927 Evil Pumpkin - '08 Scion xD RS 1.0 #1633 90 day: 35.45 mpg (US) Silent Silver Killer - '10 Honda Insight EX 90 day: 51.5 mpg (US) Thanks: 2 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts There are still ways to get around this if it were ever passed. -Buy an electric car ... -Buy your gas in containers, 10 gallons at a time. In which case the gas tax would be less than the uber miles you racked up hypermiling, thus further cutting the number of trips you make to the gas station. -If they could tweak it to reward efficient vehicles, then I could agree. I wouldn't mind paying a slightly higher tax to support the road I drive on daily, but as an exchange I would like much lower gas prices for the effort I make to save fuel. __________________ Thx NoCO2; "The biggest FE mod you can make is to adjust the nut behind the wheel" I am a precisional instrument of speed and aeromatics If your knees bent in the opposite direction......what would a chair look like???
 12-30-2008, 03:07 PM #10 (permalink) Master EcoModder     Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: North Andover, MA Posts: 857 Bone's 2010 Prius - '10 Toyota Prius Black 90 day: 56.78 mpg (US) Thanks: 5 Thanked 23 Times in 19 Posts I also disagree with this proposal...hence the "Step in the Right Direction" with the ? at the end. It is too big brother...it is too "spread the wealth" or in this case "spread the tax." __________________ My Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/p...?id=1268001941 My Twitter: http://twitter.com/bone1124