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Old 05-10-2019, 03:10 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Yeah, my bike can be had for about $2k used, and it will knock the socks off just about anything.

All cagers are boring to me. I buy them for the utility, not for the street racing performance.

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Old 05-10-2019, 04:23 PM   #52 (permalink)
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More on the topic: https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...theres-a-catch

Dodge Demon 0-60
W/ Rollout - 2.1
W/O Rollout - 2.3

Tesla S P100D 0-60
W/ Rollout - 2.28
W/O Rollout - 2.53

Reality... It doesn't matter if you aren't racing.

If you are looking for straight line performance per dollar you will have a very hard time beating a motorcycle. There are lots of bikes that will run 0-60 in less than 3 seconds for under $20K new.

EDIT. I have a BMW R1200RT touring bike. Apparently it will do 0-60 in 3 seconds.
The claim was fastest production car 0-60mph, that's all I'm covering. The Demon has it. No matter what you have there will always be somebody faster/quicker. I personally am orbiting the Milky Way at 500,000 mph and the Milky Way is heading at about 900,000 mph toward the Great Attractor. It will take like a billion years to get there, I guess the Tesla gets there 3 seconds early.

PS, I just remembered I have you all beat with a catapult takeoff on the Carl Vinson. Even the lazy old twin prop cargo plane made 0-60 in just over a second. An F-18 does it in more like .8 sec. Of course Top Fuel does it in .4 sec.

The best thing about the C2 carrier launch is you get to sit backwards as a passenger because the arrested landing is actually worse!

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The claim was fastest production car 0-60mph, that's all I'm covering.....
The cost comparison to bikes was for ME Andy. He was the one that brought up cost of the vehicles.

Yes, there will always be something faster.
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The Dodge had three seats removed to make it lighter. Maybe it is slightly faster than the full-size luxury Tesla with all seats present. Like you guys, I don't really care. Roadster v2 does 0-60 in 1.9s but it isn't in production yet.

Surprised nobody has commented about the video of autopilot on a winding neighborhood road. Now there's something that will change lives.
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The Dodge had three seats removed to make it lighter. Maybe it is slightly faster than the full-size luxury Tesla with all seats present. Like you guys, I don't really care. Roadster v2 does 0-60 in 1.9s but it isn't in production yet.

Surprised nobody has commented about the video of autopilot on a winding neighborhood road. Now there's something that will change lives.
1. The Dodge come standard with 1 seat. The others are optional
2. No Tesla is a luxury car. This about sums it up: https://www.gearbrain.com/tesla-tech...532481970.html

As to the "autopilot" - They have a much different idea of a "worst case" road then I do. I see a typical suburban road with some mild bends and a very well marked center line. That is a best case road where I live.

FSD will change lives and end some lives when it tries to hand back control to someone asleep at the wheel. That is the problem with trying to pass off Level 2 autonomous driving as "Full Self Driving".
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I'll believe the next generation roadster numbers when it is out. 0-60 in 1.9? Maybe including rollout, probably not. They have also claimed under 9 sec 1/4 mile which means it's in the 8's. Sorry, I don't believe that will happen.
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2. No Tesla is a luxury car. This about sums it up: https://www.gearbrain.com/tesla-tech...532481970.html
Tell that to Motortrend.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/why-...eNewsMTArticle

Don't get me wrong, if maximizing the button count and leather use is your definition of luxury, then mainstream luxury auto manufacturers are where it's at. On the other hand, there's a significant move away from that by many people, as illustrated by the Motortrend article.
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Tesla acquires Maxwell

Maxwell claims that its dry electrode tech enables an energy density of over 300 Wh/kg in current demonstration cells and they see a path to over 500 Wh/kg.

Thatís believed to be about 15 to 100 percent better than Teslaís current technology.

They also demonstrate close to 90% capacity retention after almost 1,500 cycles and their cells maintain their capacity at higher discharge rates and much better than the same cells without their dry electrode.

https://electrek.co/2019/05/16/tesla...ry-technology/
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I'll believe it when I see it.

Energy density and cycle life are 2 parameters out of dozens. What does it do worse than current tech?

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