Teslas battery replacement every 100,000 miles?

[Isaac Zachary]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Gas stations would be good candidates for a battery bank.

I'm my experience of driving an EV, those that wasn't business from EV driver's should have an EV charging station.

They only problem right now is when the charging station is exclusive to customers and as a driver I just want to charge my car, not purchase more food every hour or two.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

If the battery needs to be replaced often, I do see the warranty as being a battery life indicator. If it doesn't, like with a typical engine, it doesn't really matter.

The only EV I know of that has required a lot of batteries replace under warranty for capacity loss is the early Nissan Leaf and Nissan claimed less than 5% of vehicle has their batteries replace under warranty. (Which is a HUGE warranty rate for a car - even 1% failure rate is high)

So yes, saying a EV battery will fail at the end of the warranty is like saying an engine is only good for 60K miles because that is when the powertrain warranty expires.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

technology seems to get better with time, and we still have a long time before they start closing gas stations. So hopefully by the time it's an EV or nothing there will be plenty of suitable options.

My solution will be to have a longer range vehicle, either ICE or PHEV, and an EV in our family. My intention is to never use an EV beyond the single charge range, at least until infrastructure is commonplace and can restore 200 miles of range in about 10 minutes of charging. 350 kW chargers are at on the verge of what I'd be willing to wait for, assuming they sustain that rate for the full 10 minute charge.

EV just wouldn't suit my needs here or especially in CO as the only vehicle.

[freebeard]

I'm my experience of driving an EV, those that wasn't business from EV driver's should have an EV charging station.

I meant a (Powerwall), not a charger. to insure they can pump liquids.

[lowglider]

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

Maybe I didn't understand this. But this Rich Rebuilds says at about 2:25 that a 100,000 mile Tesla will most likely already have the battery replaced once and the drive unit two or three times.

On the other hand there have been people saying the battery should last as long, or longer, than an ICE.

Any idea as to what the discrepancy is about, or is it flat out Telsa hate or something?

I think that he's telling the truth.
Some older Model S batteries do have 300 or even 400 thousand miles on them, however many people have had them replaced before the 150k warranty went out.
The newer batteries have been improved a lot.

The older drive units also went out frequently, that's why they've redesigned the thing. Since the Model 3 they've added an oil filter to the drive unit, thus increasing its lifespan.

Older Model S were basically proof of concept prototype cars and considering this, they've done pretty pretty good.

[Piotrsko]

I thought the state of CA or someone else was mandating 150 K 10 years warranty on powertrain or is that just a smog controls mandate? I do know that the manufacturer has to have parts support that long and it is VW's obligation for the dieselgate repair.

[redpoint5]

I think it was 100k and 10 years. Not sure if that's still a thing.

[rmay635703]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

I think it was 100k and 10 years. Not sure if that's still a thing.

That CARB law isn’t a temporary measure but sadly a large misconception is that all plug ins get a 10/150

Reality is all hybrids plug in or not 10/150

Sadly Bev is only 8/100 , there was talk of improving it even at the fed level, never happened

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Piotrsko

I thought the state of CA or someone else was mandating 150 K 10 years warranty on powertrain or is that just a smog controls mandate? I do know that the manufacturer has to have parts support that long and it is VW's obligation for the dieselgate repair.

There are no laws dictating EV battery warranties .

The 10 year / 150K mile warranty is for CARB emissions equipment. EPA is 8 year / 100K miles. However that warranty covers hybrids not EVs. A hybrid battery is considered part of the emission system.


Dieselgate warranties are completely different and were negotiated as part of the settlement. They vary depending on the vehicle and what they had to do to fix it. My 2014 2.0L TDI Sportwagen is 10 years / 120K miles. A 2015 2.0L TDI Sportwagen is 11 years / 162K miles.

[Autobahnschleicher]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Never. My best friend went through 2 old Jetta diesels and maybe 4 engines. Another friend had a Golf.

To check the spark plugs, one must remove the exhaust manifold. To do that, one must own torx wrenches. Torx is a standard, but not a common one in automotive use. No car I've owned would use them on an exhaust manifold, and none would require removing that to check spark plugs.

Replacing the alternator was twice as expensive on the Golf than any other vehicle.

Removing the stereo required a special tool.

I hardly worked on VWs, and already the list of frustrations was long. I'm forgetting already half of the stuff I worked on.

It's not just VW, my Toyota has its fair share of odd bolt-types as well.
Besides external hex (metric) I've seen:
Torx (a lot of places, including exaust studs)
Tripple square or doubble hex (can use them pretty much interchangeably)
JIS (good luck finding tools for that...)

And most maintainance procedures make VAG products look harmless.
Disassembling the entire rear suspension and dropping the entire drivetrain to change a clutch or an alternator is a whole new level.
And for sparkplugs I need to remove sone structural parts, most importantly the rear strut tower reinforcement.

I've worked on Audis, I've worked on the notorious 924S and a lot of other things.
I can't say Toyota designes cars for easy maintainance.