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Old 02-18-2017, 11:03 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Vman455: Great references. Marketing talks were about averages of cars on road and ownership patterns as well as averages and you cite peak parameters of cars that are not released yet. Oldest and average cars are usually not a first owner cars.
Sorry to contradict you once again, but I was not citing peak parameters of cars that haven't been released yet--the 3rd-gen Prius, for instance, with an engine thermal efficiency of 38% was released in late 2009, and the 4th-gen at 40% a year and a half ago. The Ioniq hybrid went on sale in the US this week, the new Camry will be on sale this summer, and there are plenty of other ICE vehicles with peak efficiencies greater than 30% that I didn't mention. Also, since you cite peak thermal efficiency ("30 percent efficient at best"), so did I. If you want to argue average efficiency that's a different story, and you need to say that...but you didn't--quite the opposite, in fact.

Don't get me wrong--if your coating actually works, I'll buy it in a heartbeat. But we need some evidence of that beyond the fact of a couple NSF grants and paper references that show nanoparticle tribofilms can have application as anti-wear agents (i.e. you need to produce some evidence that your product can do this in an engine. This is especially important since none of your cited literature indicates that this technology is ready for public consumption yet). And, as I said before, when your marketing copy starts out with a string of easily-debunked half-truths, it doesn't help your cause of trying to get me, your ideal consumer, to buy your product because you've eroded my trust before you've even had a chance to earn it.

I wish you all success, and hope you can provide us with some concrete testing results in future. This is certainly an intriguing concept, and I hope it works out.

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Old 02-19-2017, 06:17 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Jakobnev: We tested way more than one as well as gearboxes and ASTM bench tests that go into certification.
I looked but couldn't find any test protocols, perhaps you could give us some links?
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I backed it. I plan on running some primitive garage tests on some sheet metal etc when it arrives. But yeh the video was a bit poor, and we need to see actual test results. There are too many snake oils for sale already, so you really have got to prove it works to change peoples minds.
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Old 03-08-2017, 09:53 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Yes. NSF is National Science Foundation. and Google still works
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So... you're advertising that you paid someone. And saying developed "developed with DoE, NASA, & NSF." Got it.
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So... you're advertising that you paid someone. And saying developed "developed with DoE, NASA, & NSF." Got it.
National Science Foundation is the agency that paid for the technology scale-up from lab scale to pilot production scale. In their terminology Sponsor means something different. Every organization they pay is "Sponsor" for them while practically all money comes from US government.

Fore example https://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/show...AWD_ID=1445570 it means that NSF funded research conducted by Harvard's George Church.

Here is our comapny showcase by them on recent Consumer Electronics Show
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Thank you for stepping into the line of admittedly small-caliber fire. Now we can see who's into argumentation for it's own sake, if nothing else.

OTOH I'm sitting on $4500 worth of engine parts I had assembled a decade ago, and I'm thinking the best pay-off for that wait would be to tear it down and reassemble it, using internal aerospace coatings.

To understand the push-back: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=palemoon&q...smetics&ia=web. Bucky Fuller never saw that coming. C60 will be like antibiotics, overused until it's too late*. But if people are rubbing into their skin, why not put it in you motor oil.

Flee Facespook, for all our sakes.

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*the blood/brain barrier stuff.

Also this could save me a teardown on a zero-miles motor.
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We have guys that can do pretty good real world testing on this forum (if you read through the various posts). And they document them as well as any scientific research.

And this site gets quite a bit of hits whic go up as fuel prices go up.

We have a few very trusted members whose word we would not hesitate to follow.

Just send a bottle to one of them, let him share his results and it will get added to the list of mods that work. You will get free publicity. I personally would not hesitate to buy some for all my vehicles and my whole family and friends’ vehicles.

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Ratgreen, have you received/ tested it yet?
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We have guys that can do pretty good real world testing on this forum (if you read through the various posts). And they document them as well as any scientific research.

And this site gets quite a bit of hits whic go up as fuel prices go up.

We have a few very trusted members whose word we would not hesitate to follow.

Just send a bottle to one of them, let him share his results and it will get added to the list of mods that work. You will get free publicity. I personally would not hesitate to buy some for all my vehicles and my whole family and friendsí vehicles.
We are open for more testing. We tested our products for the needs of US Army with Wedeven Associates (Report will be public in 2021), several industrial clients. There are plenty of reports on our website including published peer-reviewed papers on top of extensive bench testing and microstructure studies. It makes more sense for industrial clients where purchasing decision is based on tests and tests are relevant to the application. So any industrial client is welcome to contact us.

For retail tests are less relevant. I wish it was different.
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I'll tell you what, one way you could EASILY prove that your product works to reduce wear would be to test it in TINY engines like this.
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Engines this small apparently suffer from wear problems so serious that the engine may only last for one run and never start again due to insufficient compression. If your product can work miracles, this would be how to show it, and i'm sure the tiny engine RC community would appreciate extended engine lifespans for these tiny things.

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