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Old 04-02-2020, 06:42 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The administration didn't kill the MPG requirements; they increased them at a lower rate than previously defined. The title is misleading.

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Old 04-02-2020, 06:56 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The administration didn't kill the MPG requirements; they increased them at a lower rate than previously defined. The title is misleading.
That is correct...

I purposely worded it that way as an experiment. I posted the exact same article here https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthre...ule-38261.html under another title roughly 12 hrs. earlier than this one and only received one reply as of yet.

Funny how much difference a word or a sentence can make.


This little experiment was very interesting and telling at the same time.

Thank you all for inadvertently participating.


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Old 04-02-2020, 07:46 PM   #14 (permalink)
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That is correct...

I purposely worded it that way as an experiment. I posted the exact same article here https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthre...ule-38261.html under another title roughly 12 hrs. earlier than this one and only received one reply as of yet.

Funny how much difference a word or a sentence can make.


This little experiment was very interesting and telling at the same time.

Thank you all for inadvertently participating.


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"The final rule will increase stringency of CAFE and CO2 emissions standards by 1.5% each year through model year 2026, as compared with the standards issued in 2012, which would have required about 5% annual increases. This is a change from the proposal issued in 2018. The majority of automakers are not meeting the 2012 standard without resorting to the use of credits. The final rule can be found at: NHTSA.gov/SAFE."

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Sure there are some ways to improve fuel-efficiency even in an American landyacht without a need to resort to a full-hybrid powertrain, and with American-developed tech, but I wouldn't hold my breath for the Big Three to be willing to pay royalties for outsourced engine tech. Plus it would take some time for all those shade-tree mechanics out there to become as familiar with newer stuff as they are with an old-school pushrod V8.
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Sure there are some ways to improve fuel-efficiency even in an American landyacht without a need to resort to a full-hybrid powertrain, and with American-developed tech, but I wouldn't hold my breath for the Big Three to be willing to pay royalties for outsourced engine tech. Plus it would take some time for all those shade-tree mechanics out there to become as familiar with newer stuff as they are with an old-school pushrod V8.
Only 25% of the Ford F-150s sold in 2018 had a V8 under the hood. 65% are sold with turbocharged V6s and 10% go for the base V-6.

GM is selling the Silverado with a 4 cylinder turbo that makes 310 hp and 348 lb-ft of torque

Ram is selling hybrid V6 and V8 trucks

All of them sell full size trucks today that meet the original 2025 fuel economy target. They don't need full hybrids to meet the very low bar set by the NHTSA

The ironic thing is that Toyota and Nissan are the companies bring up the rear for truck fuel economy. The Tundra is only good for 15 and the Titan comes it at 18 mpg. The Big 3 are getting 21 - 23 mpg on gasoline.
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I think the imports tried to over Americanize their trucks.

The fed should burn the individual state tail pipe emissions requirements. States like California have been trying to regulate exhaust emissions to clean their smoggy air for 50 years and it hasn't worked. Yes there is less smog compared to decades past, but they still come at worst air quality in the nation, so literally everyone has been able to clean their air better than California without their own emissions standards. So the only thing that will work is pollution exportation, generate power and air pollution up north and in other states and send it to the smog capitals.
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I think the imports tried to over Americanize their trucks.

The fed should burn the individual state tail pipe emissions requirements. States like California have been trying to regulate exhaust emissions to clean their smoggy air for 50 years and it hasn't worked. Yes there is less smog compared to decades past, but they still come at worst air quality in the nation, so literally everyone has been able to clean their air better than California without their own emissions standards. So the only thing that will work is pollution exportation, generate power and air pollution up north and in other states and send it to the smog capitals.

They could. All congress has to do is change the Clean Air Act. I doubt they will considering doing that after the current administration attempts to roll back pollution standards for land, water, and air. 13 states follow CARB standards and they make up about 40% of the US population. They have a general goal to accelerate pollution standards not relax them.

I don't quite follow your logic though. How does getting rid of the tailpipe emission regulations in California combined with producing electricity in Northern states and exporting it to California clean up their air? That doesn't even factor in that California's standards are the same as Federal Standards today.

The problem is mostly from rapidly increasing vehicle miles as shown in this graph from the EPA. Image if pollution tracked the vehicle miles curve instead of actually declining



PM2.5 pollution in California is mainly a LA problem. A sprawling city, without effective public transportation, with more than 18 million people sitting in gridlock in their cars. How do you fix that by allowing cars to pollute more and shifting some power generation out of state (which they have already done)

California Pollution by area from Union of Concerned Scientists below:

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