Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > EcoModding Central
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 05-23-2015, 04:35 PM   #11 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 447

Valerie - '03 Honda Civic DX
Team Honda
90 day: 55.79 mpg (US)
Thanks: 277
Thanked 231 Times in 105 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Lee View Post
Forget you heard that altogether.
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...tml#post436497

You disagree?

__________________


Last edited by whatmaycome14; 05-23-2015 at 04:49 PM..
  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 05-23-2015, 07:29 PM   #12 (permalink)
(:
 
Frank Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 12,762

Blue - '93 Ford Tempo
Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US)

F150 - '94 Ford F150 XLT 4x4
90 day: 18.5 mpg (US)

Sport Coupe - '92 Ford Tempo GL
Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US)

ShWing! - '82 honda gold wing Interstate
90 day: 33.65 mpg (US)

Moon Unit - '98 Mercury Sable LX Wagon
90 day: 21.24 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,585
Thanked 3,555 Times in 2,218 Posts
Perhaps what W.S. said was awkwardly worded; possibly he meant you could add 6-8" of nosecone and only see the same benefit as 1" of boattail... which is darn near nothing.

You have already seen one of the difficulties of extended noses, that of hitting the ground.

Go ahead and test it, but I don't think you're going to like the added frontal area of that cone plus front wheel skirts. There are a few different movable front skirt concepts that don't add to frontal area that I think would have better chances of producing measurable gains.
__________________


  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Frank Lee For This Useful Post:
freebeard (05-23-2015)
Old 05-24-2015, 04:16 PM   #13 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 447

Valerie - '03 Honda Civic DX
Team Honda
90 day: 55.79 mpg (US)
Thanks: 277
Thanked 231 Times in 105 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Lee View Post
Perhaps what W.S. said was awkwardly worded; possibly he meant you could add 6-8" of nosecone and only see the same benefit as 1" of boattail... which is darn near nothing.

You have already seen one of the difficulties of extended noses, that of hitting the ground.

Go ahead and test it, but I don't think you're going to like the added frontal area of that cone plus front wheel skirts. There are a few different movable front skirt concepts that don't add to frontal area that I think would have better chances of producing measurable gains.
I'm not expecting to really see much (if any) gain from doing JUST this. This is more setting things up for the future plans I have I suppose. Also (and I think I'm actually crazy to say this) I think I like the way it looks
__________________

  Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2015, 04:37 PM   #14 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 28,703
Thanks: 8,147
Thanked 8,925 Times in 7,368 Posts
Quote:
Also (and I think I'm actually crazy to say this) I think I like the way it looks
How about a little of this:


http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.php/military-theme-fun-function-22468-9.html#post325863
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to freebeard For This Useful Post:
rumdog (05-28-2015)
Old 05-25-2015, 09:05 AM   #15 (permalink)
Lean Burn Cruiser!
 
BabyDiesel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Johnston County, NC
Posts: 936

Big Blazin' - '88 Chevrolet K5 Blazer Silverado
SUV
90 day: 14.97 mpg (US)

Chili - '00 Honda Insight
Gen-1 Insights
Team Honda
House of Tudor
Team Streamliner
90 day: 72.29 mpg (US)
Thanks: 840
Thanked 491 Times in 310 Posts
I am interested to see if there are any benefits to your nose. Your frontal area has not increased by much IMO. The flaring out for the fender skirts stick out like a sore thumb (no pun intended) in the front photo, but this may decrease the drag in that area. TEST IT PLEASE!

I am reminded of basjoos saying that he saw/felt a difference when he put his nose on the Aerocivic. You can't tell until you try. Good work.
__________________



Remember, thank a fellow EM'er for a helpful post!!!
I hypermile better in my cowboy boots

Past threads:
ZX2 modding thread
Ecomodder's Top 10: How they do it!
ZX2 Aerodynamics: Shooting for 0.15 Cd
ZX2 coast-down testing for Cd & Crr
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to BabyDiesel For This Useful Post:
whatmaycome14 (06-25-2015)
Old 05-25-2015, 01:58 PM   #16 (permalink)
5 pin sensor
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Dallas
Posts: 350

Zippy - '96 Honda Civic Hx
Team Honda
90 day: 40.77 mpg (US)

Boring - '11 Ford Fusion Sel
90 day: 21.88 mpg (US)
Thanks: 38
Thanked 73 Times in 56 Posts
I would not drive with that front end on my car.

Imagine if you hit a raccoon or a person. They would be impaled on the dog cage, not to mention the dirty looks and people taking pictures of it
__________________
Current: 1997 civic lx
Past: 1998hx/1996hx/1997lx/1997hx Cali/1997hx
OG lean burn member

My civic thread
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2015, 05:53 PM   #17 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 28,703
Thanks: 8,147
Thanked 8,925 Times in 7,368 Posts
Given the mass of the wire mesh, cardboard and duct tape, it would have some negligible value as a crumple zone. But hey, free racoon tail for the radio antenna.

I always imagine a spring-loaded bollard in the traffic lane. Imagination is funny that way.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2015, 05:58 PM   #18 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 447

Valerie - '03 Honda Civic DX
Team Honda
90 day: 55.79 mpg (US)
Thanks: 277
Thanked 231 Times in 105 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by freebeard View Post
AHHH, I see you found my inspiration!
__________________

  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2015, 05:59 PM   #19 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 447

Valerie - '03 Honda Civic DX
Team Honda
90 day: 55.79 mpg (US)
Thanks: 277
Thanked 231 Times in 105 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by BabyDiesel View Post
I am interested to see if there are any benefits to your nose. Your frontal area has not increased by much IMO. The flaring out for the fender skirts stick out like a sore thumb (no pun intended) in the front photo, but this may decrease the drag in that area. TEST IT PLEASE!

I am reminded of basjoos saying that he saw/felt a difference when he put his nose on the Aerocivic. You can't tell until you try. Good work.
It's hard to say without being able to ABA test it. I really feel that is the only way to be scientifically accurate about any modifications. Once I get the mounting situation a little better (not requiring the existing bumper or fenders) I WILL be ABA testing this nose. It's going to be a little while before I can do that though.

However, that being said, I'm 51.5mpg so far on this tank (which is slightly better than my last 3-tank avg), and this has been the only significant change to the car. Still driving pretty much the way I always do. I'm trying to be as impartial as I can.
__________________

  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2015, 06:04 PM   #20 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 447

Valerie - '03 Honda Civic DX
Team Honda
90 day: 55.79 mpg (US)
Thanks: 277
Thanked 231 Times in 105 Posts
Starting to work on the front skirts, I DO NOT like the way this is shaped (yet). Once I get home I'll work on it some more. This was done on the side of the road underneath an overpass.





__________________

  Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to whatmaycome14 For This Useful Post:
AndrzejM (05-25-2015), deejaaa (06-25-2015), Ecky (09-08-2015), Fat Charlie (05-28-2015)
Reply  Post New Thread






Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com