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Old 09-30-2020, 05:38 AM   #11 (permalink)
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The Gen II Ecopias seem to be better range wise than the heavier Michelins and are cheaper, can’t speak for life but they seem to be wearing fine

Which tire is best really depends on it’s size

The OEM Volt Goodyear’s have far better LRR than the Michelin’s in the same size

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Old 09-30-2020, 08:25 AM   #12 (permalink)
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The problem with good years is they seem like they are only ever good for a year and are definitely overpriced.
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I just tried Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 on my Insight and I can really say this is the most fuel efficient tires that I have used so far.
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Old 10-06-2020, 10:08 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I'd like to try the 19" Ecopias on my car. But that would mean new wheels and I'll never get ROI at the rate I'm driving.
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Old 10-09-2020, 12:32 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I created this thread because Big O informed me they had a $100 off coupon, but I am sure they usually have one coupon or another.

I hate their site and I hate them. It showed the Show Low location, but then one in Mesa. It looked like it wanted me to change stores, but I didn't, since I am in Show Low.

Then I realized that it changed me to Mesa and I needed to change back.

When I pulled up options for my car it only showed four or five, none were the ones that we discussed, and all of them were 205s, which I believe is the width for the V6, not the 4 cylinder. I am positive that I have 175s, but it didn't give me an option, unless I specified 175 each time, and it reset 65-15, so I needed to specify those, too.

I only found two tires that we discussed and for each of them it said "Does not meet speed rating for a 1999 Honda Accord LX."

What?!

Bridgestone Ecopia, 70,000 miles, and $84.00
Continental ProContact, 60,000 miles, and $78.53
Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max, 65,000 miles, and $112.99
Hankook Kinergy ST, 70,000 miles, $62.68
Michelin Energy Saver A/S, 65,000 miles, $127.69
Yokohama Avid Ascend GT, 65,000 miles, $83.00

The advertisements for the Michelin tires said that their tires could "save up to $400 in Gas Over the Life of Your Tires at $3.75 Per Gallon versus a Leading Competitor". Well, the Michelins are over twice as expensive as the Hankooks.

Michelins: $510.76
Merchandising fee: $8.00
Tax: $43.06
Total: $561.82

Hankooks: $250.72
Merchandising Fee: $5.02
Tax: $21.14
Total: $276.88

Will the Michelins save me $284.94 in gas? It is currently $2.229 in Show Low and the most that I have paid (with my Accord) was $2.999, so $3.75 is right out.

My lifetime average is 35.1 MPG with Defenders (although I believe that I only have 2). Let's say that I maintain that for 65,000 miles and, since we do not have any idea what will happen with gas prices, let's say they stay the same. 1,852 gallons at $4,127.78, $4,689.60 with tires.

If they cost the same and the Michelins were 7.7% more efficient they would break even because the Hankooks are supposed to last longer.

Factoring in the longer tire rating Hankooks offer 119% more value!

I do not even know how to compare them now. The price to beat is $4,689.60 with tires. That leaves $4,412.72 for gas. Over 70,000 miles I need to get 35.36 MPG to break even.

The Ecopias have the same rating. Let's say they are $370.83 installed. Will they save me $93.95 in gas over 70,000 miles?

Let's say that I get 5% worse fuel economy with either of those compared to the Defenders. I would use 2,099 gallons over 70,000 miles, and at present rates that would cost $4,679.26. I think the installed price difference is $95.95, which is 2.05%.

Will the Ecopias get me 2% better fuel economy than the Kinergies?
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Old 10-09-2020, 12:37 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Hang it all!

Walmart kept saying that my car needed 195s, but I kept looking up 175s.

My car says 195.

That shouldn't affect the prices much, but who knows?
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It'll affect price, it'll affect availability.
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Old 10-26-2020, 03:11 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Have I listed the stuff that I need to send back? My gaming laptop, my distributor, and my Reeboks--on top of my various and sundry projects.

Tires are important, but I barely drive, and rarely leave town, so I am not about to careen into a canyon, despite freebeard making a voodoo doll for my car, because that totally makes sense.

I keep worrying that there will be some Black Friday deal that will be significantly better than my $300 Lenovo.

I need to set up the new router and see if I still have wifi issues--with either Lenovo.

We knew that it wouldn't be able to handle much and I knew that I would want a lit keyboard, but my other complaint is that it keeps coming unplugged--from both ends.

First world problems.

I have been trying to look at Black Friday ads. Walmart didn't have any impressive computer deals, although they will have a 42" television for $88 and a $65 one for $228--that is what I paid for my 43" one!

Except the 42" one is FHD, the 65" one is 4k, and both are onnn.

No regrets.

The whole ad seemed a bit blurry and I am getting squinty-eyed from the small text. I have not even attempted to read the actual small print, but I gather:
Starting Friday, November 6th, online at 1900 Zulu, price guaranteed for one week, tire installation available starting Saturday 11/07, $20 off each Goodyear tire, plus free lifetime tire balance and rotation.

Goodyear Assurance Outlast 205/55r16 starting at $68. 12 sizes, prices vary by size, 80,000-mile warranty, and was $88.


It is $15 per tire with lifetime balance and rotation and another $10 for road hazard protection. They charge $12 per tire for lifetime balance and rotation, although that is clearly included with installation.

Interesting. This time they asked for my submodel and yes, the V6 has 205s and the 2.3L has 195s.

I wonder if my 1990 Accord had 175s...

The v6 and 2.3l also have different speed ratings and load indices.

These are the tires that we discussed and Walmart's prices for 195/65R15:
Bridgestone Ecopia, 70,000 miles, and $96.50; $492.23 installed
Continental ProContact, 55,000 miles, and $95; $485.61
Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max, 65,000 miles, and $120.31; $597.34
Hankook Kinergy ST--not available for my car. $102.59 at Amazon; $519.12
Michelin Energy Saver, 50,000 miles, $137.27 [not A/S]; $672.22
Yokohama Avid Ascend GT, 65,000 miles, $70.97; $379.53

Those are installed estimates going off of my previous math.

I am not spending nearly $700 on tires for my car! With the sale the Goodyears would be $509.05 installed. Most of those are around the same price, with the Michelins being far more expensive, and the Yokohamas being far cheaper.

I would normally argue for the best value, since I do not have efficiency numbers. The Yokohamas would be .58¢ per mile, the Michelins would be 1.34¢, and the others, including the Goodyears on sale, would be .7-.88¢.

Whether you prioritize the best value or the cheapest quality tire the Yokohamas come out ahead.

There isn't any hurry, so I will keep checking for Black Friday sales.
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$44 Douglas all seasons +$12 mounting and balancing, no need for road hazard on a $44 tire. I've used quite a few in that size between 3 different cars.

Just put a set on 11 Rogue $69 for it's size, person must have interred wrong code, charged for valve stem replacement that they didn't do instead of mounting and balancing a $9 per tire difference. Didn't notice till I got home. Last time they errored in my favor the manager said to forget about it so I am this time too.
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Walmart says $194.36, but that would be just throwing them in my general direction, which wouldn't be helpful, and $259.32 with installation, although they are only rated for 45,000 miles. My car would only have 260,000 miles!

Unfortunately, I am the guy maintaining the car, so that doesn't help.

The price-per-mile is the same as the Yokohamas, which TireRack says have the best traction on on dry and wet pavement, just not snow.

Are they supposed to be LRR? I see a few things saying they are, but most do not mention it.

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