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Old 09-23-2012, 11:54 AM   #351 (permalink)
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I don't intend to retire Teresa anytime soon
There are bar risers available for the CBR250R and higher windscreens but much of my high numbers comes from the low riding position I am able to use. Without full streamlining, a full sit up riding position on the CBR will only get even a good hypermiler 80 mpgUS, 34 km/ liter at higher speeds above 105 kph which is about the same as a BMW single or the Honda NC700 which are both good examples of the efficiency you can get by designing a low revving motorcycle engine.

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Old 09-23-2012, 12:11 PM   #352 (permalink)
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I'm curious about lower speeds. I often P&G between ~70-100km/h, and go even slower in the winter, simply because I'm cold with my arms, shoulders and partly legs out in the wind. It's true, though, that faster, more aggressive pulses (like 110-120km/h) can help with this particular bike to get a little bit higher efficiency, because of the larger delta, I guess. It helps me not to be that much slower than the traffic which tends to speed anyway

I really don't know what to expect from the CBR then (though I still have some hope I could be better with it) - if I wouldn't get better FE with it, then the NC700 would be a more practical choice (the F650CS will surely be extinct by that time, it's been discontinued since 2006). It might be OK to tuck down for a 20-30-minute commute trip, but it's a big no for whole days.

As a short range bike even its smaller sister, the 125cc CBR could do, but it doesn't sound like a proper 'freight bike' to me The Duke 125 is a very interesting little beast too, and that's not for tucking at all Otherwise (in strength) it's similar to the CBR. The little CBF has unfortunately short service intervals (like oil cange once in 3k km). With the CBR I could take the liberty to make the interval 8k km, even though some parts have a 12k km check period too - what is not oil and is fine for 12k it's fine for 16k too.
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Old 09-23-2012, 12:25 PM   #353 (permalink)
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I'm curious about lower speeds. I often P&G between ~70-100km/h
The CBR will get 90 mpgUS, 38.3 km/ liter at 70kph sitting up but even though the position is far from a full on supersport bike, there is some weight on the hands at that speed.
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Old 09-23-2012, 12:35 PM   #354 (permalink)
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So it's like that. I always read in the tests that these (read: both the 250 CBR and Ninja) are not as sporty in riding position as they look. I'll really have to try one day.
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Old 09-23-2012, 12:40 PM   #355 (permalink)
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I like this talk about riding comfort. At the Vetter Challenges, we can ride at the posted speed. We can come up with a real number for the cost per mile travelled. I can count the grocery bags. These things are easily quantitative.

But comfort... How do we quantify comfort?

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But comfort... How do we quantify comfort?
There's no way to do it. It's different from person to person. That's why I say I'll have to try for myself.

Anyway, how large are those grocery bags?

Oh, I forgot about the cost per mile thing: up to this point, maintenance (and parts, tires, etc) was always somewhat more than the consumed gasoline. And now (after 78000km | 48000mi) they're both a bit over the purchase price (gas is more expensive now and the bike was used). So gas is not everything by far. Insurance and taxes are there too.
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Old 09-23-2012, 12:49 PM   #357 (permalink)
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About 100-120 liters.
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Old 09-23-2012, 01:01 PM   #358 (permalink)
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Sendler exceeded 100 mpg at the Vetter Challenge in Ohio. In fact, he turned in 105mpg! I rode right behind him most of the way. No pulse and gliding that I could tell.
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I was using some PnG but it is not necessarily overtly noticeable or obtrusive on the road. It can be largely just a matter of anticipating stop signs and down hill sections and approaching curves and pulling in the clutch. Rather than engine braking every gear, I coast with the clutch in and click down through the gears the same way but just don't let out the clutch each time. It also helps to have a bike that makes usable power down low. Once you try it, PnG quickly becomes a habit that is hard to stop. The super easy clutch pull of the CBR250R also helps make it easy to get great numbers.
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Regarding the grocery bag size: The bags we get in California are as follows: the base is 12" x 7". They are 14" high. Because stuff sticks out the top, figure we need 20" of vertical space.

2012 Vetter Challenge rules

It seems to be standard.

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Regarding the grocery bag size: The bags we get in California are as follows: the base is 12" x 7". They are 14" high. Because stuff sticks out the top, figure we need 20" of vertical space.
12x7x14x4 is 80 liters. overfill the bags to 20 inches tall and you need 110 liters. I personally always use 7-8 smaller bags rather than 4 great big ones. I carry the same amount of groceries but they conform to the available space much better.

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