Winter tires LRR?

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by Galvatron1

I got the R3 today, looking forward to higher fuel efficiency!!

Consumer Reports says wet braking is poor, handling, hydoplaning, dry braking is not good. Can anyone share their R3 experience with these properties?

We have Nokian Hakka R3 on three cars, and they are equal or better on all those things than any other winter tire.

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by Galvatron1

How can you tell R3's are ultra low rolling resistance, while eNtyre are just low rolling resistance? I didn't see it listed as such on simpletire.com. Which all seasons are ultra low rolling resistance & which is ranked #1 as the absolute best in fuel efficiency?

This is how Nokian rates them, and having owned both, I can confirm it. I buy them from the guy who won an early EcoModder contest:

https://ecomodder.com/blog/20-yearol...l-economy-run/

https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthre...out-14205.html

He got 118MPG on Hakka R (first generation).

[Galvatron1]

Thanks, bud. What I wouldn't do to get 118 mpg, is it possible in a non hybrid 2014 Camry se?

What is the most fuel efficient all seasons tire?

[NeilBlanchard]

If you need a "real" all season tire - and by that I mean actual snow and ice in the winter - then I like the Nokian WR. They are currently WR G4: https://www.nokiantires.com/tires/pa...weather-tires/

Nokian call them an all-weather tire.

These are roughly similar to the eNtyre for rolling resistance.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by Galvatron1

Thanks, bud. What I wouldn't do to get 118 mpg, is it possible in a non hybrid 2014 Camry se?

Yes, but you won't do it with a set of tires.

Anything is possible. I'd suggest half from drivetrain and half from aerodynamics. A good benchmark for aerodynamics would be Aerocivic

For the drivetrain I'd see if there is room for a 20hp E-assist altermotor.

[Xist]

I would settle for 117 MPG, but I have low standards.

[Galvatron1]

Originally Posted by freebeard

For the drivetrain I'd see if there is room for a 20hp E-assist altermotor.

Never heard of that before, how does it boost mpg, how much mpg gains & how much to get one installed?

[freebeard]

• Start-stop and regen.
• It depends
• All custom work using OEM components

It appears that this would be classed as a mild hybrid. An ICE with a belt-driven altermotor to enable start-stop (and parking maneuvers), regeneration and load balancing (20hp on tap and it saves your brakes).

Everything else I know is in that thread, but you could compare the performance of the hybrid and non-hybrid versions of the E-assisted vehicles. Honda's IMA system may be similar.

[Tmugz88]

I was searching for some information on a good set of Allseason tires that will handle the harsh winters in Wisconsin. That search led me to this thread. What are some additional or NEW options got winter or all season tires that you all have used ?

I noticed the Nokian WRG4s seem to do well all year. However reviews seem to show a complaint on how they wear and "howling" after 10k.

With needing a new set of tires ideally a good set of all-seasons would be the most cost effective, but I'm open to all ideas.

[Ecky]

Originally Posted by Tmugz88

Living in Wisconsin has caused me to search for some dedicated winter tires. The problem im running into is needing tires but also needing something that performs well in the winter. I came across this thread and wanted to ask if anyone has any insight on any of the tires discussed. Or potentially new tires thay you are presently using. I'm tossing the idea around of a dedicated winter tire or if getting a higher end allseason like the WRG4s would be a good alternative.

Even the best all seasons fall well short of even low quality winter tires. The very best are probably Michelin's Cross Climates. In terms of winter tires, Nokian and Michelin pretty consistently come out on top both in terms of performance and rolling resistance.