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Old 10-16-2017, 10:29 PM   #31 (permalink)
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The aluminum body F150 makes its efficiency gains by becoming lighter in weight.
That decreases wear on the road.

The F150 is also not using an energy source that circumnavigates the user tax on fuel.
The Insight makes its efficiency gains by being 1800lbs as well


The tax rate on my electric use is over 200% and my "electric" car uses gas also.

Would you pay 200% tax on your gas?

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Old 10-16-2017, 11:18 PM   #32 (permalink)
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The Insight makes its efficiency gains by being 1800lbs as well


The tax rate on my electric use is over 200% and my "electric" car uses gas also.

Would you pay 200% tax on your gas?
Right, so the insight pays less in fuel tax than the F150. The insight hybrid should pay the same fuel tax that a purely gasoline powered version would pay.

The fuel tax is set so that it is proportional to the amount of wear that the average vehicle associated with that level of fuel consumption applies to the road as it burns that gallon of fuel.

By taxing each gallon, that wear is paid for proportionate to how much wear that individual driver&Car applies to the road, because they will burn a proportionate amount of fuel.

It is a very fair system.

However, there is currently no equivalent way to meter usage in electric cars. So, the easiest way to distribute that cost was to figure an average usage, average cost, and then assign a charge. As they gain in popularity, it will make sense to figure out a fairer system.
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The Insight makes its efficiency gains by being 1800lbs as well


The tax rate on my electric use is over 200% and my "electric" car uses gas also.

Would you pay 200% tax on your gas?
If I were only charged for 12k miles of fuel tax per year, I would actually be elated.

If I had a vehicle that I used as infrequently as you apparently use yours, I would not even register it. It would also be stupid to own, because it wouldn't be saving you in fuel costs whatsoever even if electricity were free.
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Electric cars use roads, and roads have to be maintained. I think the fixed fee model is stupid, but not the intent behind it.
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PRESS RELEASE: Gov. Fallin Statement on the Oklahoma Supreme Court Striking Down Electric, Hybrid Vehicle Registration Fee

Supreme Court overturned OKs EV tax as being unconstitutional

Now letís overturn the rest of them
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https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/dmv/v...cting-DMV.aspx

Well they did it now my truck will be $85 a year
But my Insight and Volt will be $185 a year in this county, nice
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Have you actually gotten a "bill" for the extra $75 for your Insight? I've written a few recent letters to the Wis State Journal, but it seems to be insignificant/old news to them. And I don't think they have heard from much of the gas-only hybrid constituency - not many have gotten their $75 surprise yet. Basically, the folks that promised to collect $8M in taxes obviously found out that that can only work if they tax gas-only hybrids (mainly the majority Prius's). Otherwise, a couple hundred thou from plug-ins and full EVs. So now they are taxing the on-board electricity that happens to generate "stand-alone" efficiencies for this select (somewhat liberally oriented) group of car owners. This obviously ignores that fact that all those other on-board technologies, like tiny turbos and light weight materials generate loads more efficiencies (and way less gas tax revenue) than the Prius (and Insight) community ever will. Some other states got so embarrassed by this miscarriage that they eventually repealed the "electric efficiency" tax. Probably won't happen here, but we can try. I wrote legislators and the governor, but to no avail. The community is small, so unless it starts speaking with an embarrassment (what the f...) megaphone, we're probably stuck.

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Have you actually gotten a "bill" for the extra $75 for your Insight? I've written a few recent letters to the Wis State Journal, but it seems to be insignificant/old news to them. And I don't think they have heard from much of the gas-only hybrid constituency - not many have gotten their $75 surprise yet.

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Fee shows on October 1. 2019 and later renewals, will find out in a few weeks I guess

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