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Old 02-28-2022, 05:32 PM   #121 (permalink)
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Old 02-28-2022, 05:39 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Are we still exporting raw logs to Asia for milling? I always questioned that.
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Thereís a few companies that do that here. Small businesses not the big boys. It actually works out well for small time loggers, contractors that clear lots and arborists. Itís better than wasting them.


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Old 02-28-2022, 05:47 PM   #123 (permalink)
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Not the latest data...

Using your trusted source.


https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=51338#


Predictions are not data.

However, if you want to talk about EIA predictions:

1. The EIA expects the change to the US being a net importer to be a temporary blimp and the US to go back to being a net exporter in 2023.

2. The US will not be an net importer due to reduced US oil production. US production is predicted to increase in 2022 and again in 2023. (Something about high prices driving increased supply)


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Old 02-28-2022, 06:07 PM   #124 (permalink)
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I can't find the quote from Sometimes a Great Notion (from here in Kesey country), but a paraphrase would be:

"When you takes things out of the forest, the forest takes something out of you."

Logger Logic. Here's a (wonderful) dry hole: www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/1308344-sometimes-a-great-notion
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Your last link is not the latest data (article) according to your source.







Itís looks like the editor Ďs canít make up their mind.

Typical government double speak...

You need a better source...





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Old 02-28-2022, 11:59 PM   #126 (permalink)
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Your last link is not the latest data (article) according to your source.


Itís looks like the editor Ďs canít make up their mind.

Typical government double speak...

You need a better source...
Is the idea that increased US demand might be higher than increased US supply a foreign concept to you?
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Is the idea that increased US demand might be higher than increased US supply a foreign concept to you?
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No.


Is having to import more oil because weíre not drilling our own domestic oil to meet our needs as a result of this administrationís policies towards domestic oil production a foreign concept to you ?


You wrote earlier that predictions are not data.

Ok.

Neither are ďforecastsĒ...



See the shaded area circled ?

Thatís forecasted. (prediction)

Hasnít happened.

So itís just pie in the sky. It even looks like a piece of pie, so I added some blueberries... 😋

The red arrows show the trend between the former and current administrations.

Somewhere between 2019-2020 we achieved energy independence.

Currently if the USA was cut off from foreign oil for any reason we would be unable to meet our needs.

Thatís not good...




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Is having to import more oil because weíre not drilling our own domestic oil to meet our needs as a result of this administrationís policies towards domestic oil production a foreign concept to you ?
It isn't a foreign concept - it just isn't what is happening. We pumped more oil that we are projected to need in 2021 back in 2019. Then the price of oil cratered with the recession and US oil producers started cutting back on production. Just as it takes time to shut down production it takes time to bring it back online when prices go back up.

The price of oil going negative will have just a little bit of effect on supply. So will the Saudi's having a price war with the Russians and purposely driving down the price of oil until Russia fell inline with their production targets.

https://www.worldoil.com/news/2020/5...ssia-price-war

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You wrote earlier that predictions are not data.

Ok.

Neither are ďforecastsĒ...
No they aren't. But you were the one that wanted to talk about a Feb 2022 report predicting that the US would temporarily be a net importer of petroleum products as proof that the Biden Administration was trying to reverse our oil independence.

Of course you ignored the 2023 prediction in the same article that said that was only a temporary blimp.

Then you pretended that since the EIA was predicting both increased production and increased oil imports at the same time it was "government double speak" and implied that made them suspect.

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Somewhere between 2019-2020 we achieved energy independence.
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Currently if the USA was cut off from foreign oil for any reason we would be unable to meet our needs.
False. The latest actual data shows we are still net exports of petroleum products. Neither you or I know have the data to know if we are today or what the current Ukrainian war has done to US production. The recent spike above $100 is almost sure to encourage producers to bring oil supply back online faster.

However, even if we were importing a tiny bit of oil today we have more than enough stored in the supply pipeline and in the strategic reserve to bridge the time it would take to ramp back up production. No doubt such a crisis would also spike oil prices to the point were every oil producer in the country would be scrambling to produce as much as they can.

That also imagines a world in which the entire oil producing world is suddenly putting an oil embargo on the USA - including Canada - our biggest external oil supplier and one that doesn't have a way to ship most of it's oil to market except through the USA.


Oil is a global commodity with prices set at auction. That is reality. You can believe what you want.
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Wait...

No comment on the Blueberry pie...???

To think I put all that effort in for nothing...

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