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Old 12-19-2010, 12:40 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I'm with Frank. There's too much unrelated verbiage unrelated to the Leaf. Potential EV purchasers are not interested in obscure Chevrolets or Porsche Boxsters. To them, the epitome of gasoline engine development isn't a 300 hp FSP, it's something like a Civic HF or a Lotus Elise.

Carburetors is misspelled. Horrific is overdone. No where is one word, and misused. Crises are the plural of crisis.
Not writing to an EV crowd. Not Jalopnik either.

Eh, I wasn't sure I was going to use this, more of a 3am jot-down (with the typos to show, lol). But it's for an enthusiast site, which is why I'm starting with the Boxster and CST/10 reference. Again, the main goal isn't to really sell it to EV enthusiasts. Every single Leaf review you find can play to that crowd. I'm more looking at it from an outside point of view, and after today looking at what it means to the average consumer car.

Think 5 years down the road, that we have entry level compact cars with better NVH qualities than the best luxury car on the planet. There's no real maintenance costs either. With commitment from cities to provide power stations, the flexibility of an electric car in day-to-day activities or maybe even fleet use (delivery services, etc) becomes a reality for those outside of the EV crowd even.

It's an interesting thing, no doubt.

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Also driving one of these was bloody weird. I kept expecting shifts. And I could hear the near-silent whine of the A/C blower over the whine of the drive motors most of the time.

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Squirrels do NOT look like that around here. It really is amazing how many different habitats squirrels thrive in, and how different they all look. Squirrels are red in Indiana. Is this for Jalopnik? It's probably not for EcoModder.
Heh heh heh, it's actually one of bennelson's woodchucks :

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Yes, driving the Leaf is a neat experience. It's range is certainly enough for all my local driving.
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I just learned something. "The groundhog (Marmota monax), also known as a woodchuck, or in some areas as a land-beaver, is a rodent of the family Sciuridae, belonging to the group of large ground squirrels known as marmots." It's not a tree squirrel, but it's a member of the Squirrel family.

Electrification has a lot of potential value for the performance enthusiast. But for now, the Leaf is heavy and slow and won't win a race. I figure it will be Mazda or Honda who first offer a vaguely affordable, sorta fast, electric drive car in the form of a PHEV Mazda3 or Accord.
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Electrification has a lot of potential value for the performance enthusiast. But for now, the Leaf is heavy and slow and won't win a race. I figure it will be Mazda or Honda who first offer a vaguely affordable, sorta fast, electric drive car in the form of a PHEV Mazda3 or Accord.
I personally think it needs to be persuied by a major automaker. Tesla and Fisker are very iffy entrants, with the Tesla being no more than an EV converted Elise.

This section just gets right down to the test drives and my opiniion on the electric drivetrain.

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Introductions aside, it’s time to drive. Coming into this, it must be said that I drove to the event in a 1969 Chevrolet CST/10 pickup. It’s loud, rough, and has enough 40 year old components remaining that it shakes, rattles, and rolls down the road with quite a presence. I get into a Leaf, adjust my seat, and start to poke around for the “start” button when I’m told it’s already running. I know this is an electric car, but it’s still… odd… to hear nothing. The throttle is a bit spongy at low speed, but the Leaf’s instant 200 ft lb of torque makes its presence known if you dive deeper into the throttle. It’s an experience unlike any other car. You can find an excuse for traction control at speeds where most 4 bangers are still building steam. Off the line it surges with authority, and thanks to the lack of a transmission, it steams right on up with an uninterrupted slightly sci-fi soundtrack from the electric motor. No peaking power bands, no shifting… Just forward. And during all of this, the Leaf is beautifully smooth, quiet and dare I say; graceful. During cruising you’re more likely to hear the hum of the A/C blower motor than you are of the drivetrain. Wind noise is well controlled, an achievement that the reps were very proud of. It’s a level of cabin noise that’s surely lower than the best luxury cars, an interesting side effect to the electric drivetrain. It may still use a dated suspension, but the ride is well controlled and the handling is thankfully quite precise and tossable.

And it creates quite the proposition for future drivetrains. Here we have a $25,000 car with NVH levels competitive with cars twice its cost. A premium experience, in this regard. Without pistons violently thrusting up and down and transmissions jumping through gears it provides smooth thrust that will never be matched by a piston engine. Not even a CVT can provide the smooth responsiveness that the direct-drive electric motor gives. It’s compact, and very versatile with the ability to add AWD with a mere addition of two motors, not a new transmission, center diff, driveshaft, rear diff, and so-on. Ignoring the obvious daily cost advantages of running an electric car, it gives a small car a level of refinement that manufacturers can only dream of with a gas engine, especially to the bread-and-butter cars. To the average consumer there’s less maintenance to worry about, there’s no oil to change, emissions systems to inspect, or cooling systems to worry about. Brakes are even given a lengthy life span thanks to their job being shared with the regenerative braking/charging system. In the future land of beige, it’s easy to see electric cars cross-shopped with Corollas, Cruises, and Civics. Its price is competitive with them, to get the options that you get in the Leaf, a comparable Honda Civic runs the MSRP of just under $25,000. Other than out-right range, it just does everything better than they can. The current short comings of electric cars are solvable problems in time. Nissan has committed to designing the battery pack to be replaceable with future innovations, and designing the unit so that future Nissan EVs with more advanced batteries can have their guts transplanted into the Leaf, keeping older models relevant in 5-10 years.
So what does this mean for the piston engine? It means nothing in the short run, but maybe everything in the long run. The electric car is just moving past the point of being a novelty; it’s now a legitimate player. It’s a new era for the automobile, one that’s deprived of cam shafts, valves, pistons, and gasoline. It’s strange to think that there is going to be a time where the familiar exhaust note is nowhere to be found. The electric motor can accomplish everything we want piston engines to do; flat torque curves, smooth power delivery, low noise, low maintenance, efficiency and low center of gravity. As time progresses, outright performances gets better and better as well (Fisker and Tesla want to show you). While the source of power may change and evolve (to one that doesn’t rape the land for battery materials with the impression of environmental goodness), the electric drivetrain is going to make its comeback over the next century. The 20th century will always be the rise of the gasoline engine. Maybe the 21st will be the rise of the electric motor.





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