Are you on Team Bollinger or Team Rivian?

[oil pan 4]

Some one just need to build one already and see if it sinks or swims. When one gets built, flops all the other ones will quickly and quietly die or file for bankruptcy.

[elhigh]

I'd sign up for the Bollinger, but it's an awful lot of truck for the 95% of the time when you don't need to carry a bunch of stuff.

I'd much rather have a smaller, far more efficient lightweight EV for everyday use, and rent a truck for the brief, infrequent moments when I need serious capacity.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by OP

Are you on Team Bollinger or Team Rivian?

Neither. I think the best vehicle would be a Cybertruck with the Bollinger door in the cowl to make the frunk into a dog house. That said, here's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAPddueRCE8

[thingstodo]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

I wouldn't hold my breath for anything Elon Musk says. Seems like he enjoys promising the impossible...

I wouldn't say 'impossible' ... but his goals are certainly IMPROBABLE.

He seems to enjoy giving his employees 'moon-shot' goals. If they get anywhere close, they've already exceeded his wilded dreams.

I've heard that this is a management strategy.

Elon's companies appear to get a *LOT* of stuff done in short order. So maybe it works? It's just disappointing for all of us that hear it as well ...

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by thingstodo

He seems to enjoy giving his employees 'moon-shot' goals. If they get anywhere close, they've already exceeded his wilded dreams.

I've heard that this is a management strategy.

Looking from this point it actually makes sense.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

Looking from this point it actually makes sense.

Not when he makes the goals publicly. For example last April Musk said all Teslas with FSD would be fully autonomous robotaxis by June 2020 at the latest. The stock jumped on that announcement. That is a flat out false claim by the CEO of a company to manipulate stock price.

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by JSH

Not when he makes the goals publicly. For example last April Musk said all Teslas with FSD would be fully autonomous robotaxis by June 2020 at the latest. The stock jumped on that announcement. That is a flat out false claim by the CEO of a company to manipulate stock price.

About flat out false claims.
None of the above is true - try to provide links if you can find them, I checked so good luck on that.

This is from April last year:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/22/elon...next-year.html

Elon Musk claims Tesla will have 1 million robotaxis on roads next year, but warns he’s missed the mark before

The stock actually dipped after that. Lucky for me, as I then decided to buy a few.

This is last April:
https://www.businessinsider.nl/elon-...onal=true&r=US

Well, I think it’s quite likely... I’d give you the 50th percentile, ... or it might be right but offset by a few weeks to a few months; in some cases, a few years. But I believe that everything I’ve ever said would come true – did come true. It may come true late, but it did come true. So punctuality is not my strong suit, but I always come through in the end. So I think we could see robotaxis in operation with the network fleet next year, not in all markets but in some.

Just like last year Musk packs his prediction with a lot of margin and uncertainty, but some peel off all of that and turn it into a hard promise on the wrong date.
That wouldn't be a first.

[JSH]

“From our standpoint, if you fast forward a year – maybe a year and three months, but next year for sure – we’ll have over a million robotaxis on the road,” Musk told an audience on Monday.

“The fleet wakes up with an over-the-air update; that’s all it takes,” he said.


“By the middle of next year, we’ll have over a million Tesla cars on the road with full self-driving hardware, feature complete, at a reliability level that we would consider that no one needs to pay attention,” Musk said.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...rk/3549652002/

At what point do Musk supporters admit that FSD is a lie and the cars don’t have the sensors required for Level 5 autonomous driving. FSD has perpetually been a year away but that doesn’t stop Tesla from selling a feature that doesn’t exist. Some friends paid $6000 (I think) for FSD on their 2016 Model X. When do they get their money back?


EDIT:
I’ll readily admit I forgot which meeting he said this at so that means he promised July not June. Are you ready to admit that “next year for sure” means by the end of 2020?

[RedDevil]

Very funny.
USA Today seems to quote the same event as CNBC but has a different take?
That is the problem all along. Cut, alter, hide the source.

I'll trust the version that does have proper referrals.
Or go to the source itself.

A good summary of Tesla Autonomy Investor Day: https://cleantechnica.com/2019/04/22...video-is-live/

He did say this according to CNBC:

"I feel very confident predicting autonomous robotaxis for Tesla next year,” Musk said on stage at the Tesla Autonomy Investor Day in Palo Alto, California. They won’t be “in all jurisdictions, because we won’t have regulatory approval everywhere, but I am confident we will have at least regulatory approval somewhere, literally next year,"

Confident predicting robotaxis in 2020, plus approval.
A prediction is not a promise.

May well come to be though. Tesla China is hiring people to develop the Chinese version of FSD. Even if the US and Europe don't dare release FSD on the road legally, China might.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by JSH

That is a flat out false claim by the CEO of a company to manipulate stock price.

Sure it's a dishonest approach, but since Tesla is taking benefits from such strategy it might explain why it didn't come to an end (yet).