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Old 06-26-2020, 08:23 PM   #21 (permalink)
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About 80% the price of a ZX-6R.

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Old 06-27-2020, 01:30 AM   #22 (permalink)
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About 80% the price of a ZX-6R.
Even though you may be able to find someone in the United States or Canada actually willing to buy one, seemingly such a narrow price gap between the 250 and the ZX-6R might seem not worth the expense to certify it as a captive import. It's likely to be a strong seller in Japan mostly due to both the tiered licensing and lower taxes for motorcycles up to 250cc, and AFAIK some other Asian countries have some regulations preventing large-displacement motorcycles to achieve greater volumes. Australia also has a tiered licensing which may provide good market opportunities for it too.
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$10,300 converted from NZ money, interesting. The ZX6R is $10K in the U.S., obviously this would be far from a value oriented sale, but it MIGHT be possible to sell. I dunno. Every time I see the uninitiated talk about this bike they keep thinking it will be a cheap entry into the I4 super sport category. Hopefully the sky high rev limiter and track ready focus would entice track racers here, maybe even start a stock racing category for them.
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$10,300 converted from NZ money, interesting. The ZX6R is $10K in the U.S.
The benefit I see to the 250 is that with only 50-55hp, you'll be able to actually use the 17000rpm on the street. For me at least, if it's say 8k for the ZX25R, that's only 3k for a massive engine upgrade from the 5k Ninja 400, and 3k is chump change in car land.

Same reason I would rather drive a Porsche Cayman than a Corvette (even ignoring the interior luxury factor). The Corvette is way faster for the same money, but that actually becomes a problem when you can't enjoy the power. I've driven Teslas before and I understand the fun of crazy acceleration, but only being able to keep your foot down for one second at a time kills most of the fun.

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The benefit I see to the 250 is that with only 50-55hp, you'll be able to actually use the 17000rpm on the street. For me at least, if it's say 8k for the ZX25R, that's only 3k for a massive engine upgrade from the 5k Ninja 400, and 3k is chump change in car land.
Akropavic leaked a dyno graph early. Stock the ZX-25 makes 41.4 hp / 15,350 rpm and 15.3 lb-ft at 12,700 RPM at the rear wheel.

The illegal racing exhaust adds 1.3 hp


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Ah, so it's coming in under 50hp. That's a little disappointing, basically exactly the same as the old 250cc 4 cylinders from 30 years ago.
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Not really surprising that it didn't get close to the super optimistic 60 hp I kept hearing people parroting. I guessed it would have 50. 41 wheel sounds like around 46 crank horsepower. Still unknown if there are models with different power levels. Obviously newer emissions standards don't tend to allow sky high compression ratios, this is probably sub 11.5:1. The CBR 250RR had a 11.5:1 CR. My MC19 is at 11:1.

Unknown as of yet, but if it has chain driven camshafts, the heads could be milled to increase compression. The Honda I4s had gear driven camshafts which make head milling impossible. Any decrease in clearance would make the gears bind.
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Obviously newer emissions standards don't tend to allow sky high compression ratios
Not only compression ratio, since nowadays there are much restrictions on the exhaust stream on newer engines.


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Unknown as of yet, but if it has chain driven camshafts, the heads could be milled to increase compression. The Honda I4s had gear driven camshafts which make head milling impossible.
I wouldn't really hold my breath for this newer engine to have gear-driven camshafts, even though such feature would be quite interesting.

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