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Old 11-14-2017, 10:51 PM   #521 (permalink)
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Well good thing less than 20% of registered voters think man made global warming is a problem and we should do something about it.
Those are old numbers at the hight of man made global warming mass hysteria, around 2008 to 2010.
It's even less now.

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Old 11-15-2017, 07:25 AM   #522 (permalink)
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less than 20% of registered voters
It's inconvenient to care about the planet.
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Humans are delusional due to the genetically entrenched reward sub routines in the brain which developed through natural selection over 200,000 years to be successful as hunter/ gatherers. We make irrational decisions to consume all available resources and expand to fill every available niche with no concept of the consequences in deep time.
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Comanding modern technology to transmute 500 Million years of stored fossil solar energy into supernormal stimuli for a stone age brain.
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One day soon we must all become sapient.
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Much of what has already been cast in place is irreversible in a time scale of 100,000 years. Humans have set in motion the sixth mass extinction.
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Why then do hunter gathering societies typically regulate their population to a steady number over centuries.

And no it’s not the “environment “ that does it.
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Stone age populations and even civilized agro nations were absolutely governed by accessibility to resources which they were forced to use at the natural rate of solar flows. Population was very steady up to the discovery of fossil fuel at which point it spiked.
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The sun's output has been unexpectedly low, for a while now. We have seen significant warming despite the lower output from the sun.

The numbers I have been seeing are that a bit less than 60% of voters feel that climate change is a big issue. Given that there are actual flat earthers here in the US, that makes it more significant that climate change is recognized as an important issue.

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That less than 20% number doesn't mean only 20% of people care about the environment. That means only 20% have bought into the man made global warming mass hysteria.
Around 2/3 of people think climate change, both natural and man made is an important issue. I agree climate change could easily kill off 95% of the population. The last ice age may have killed off up to 99% of humans.
Just in recorded history climate change has caused wars, famine, mass migration. Climate change could have created the concept of warfare it's self.

The total irradiance of the sun has increased 0.1% to 0.05% from maunder minimum to present.
So we are talking the difference of around 1 watt per square meter.
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The Current Solar Minimum and Its Consequences for Climate - Evidence-Based Climate Science - Chapter 11

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The current solar minimum, named here the Eddy Minimum, is a de Vries Cycle event expected to consist of Solar Cycles 24 and 25. It arrived on schedule at 210 years after the start of the last major minimum, the Dalton Minimum from 1798. Work by Fix (this volume) suggests that this minimum will be two solar cycles long.
Solar cycles are 11 years long.

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Around 2/3 of people think climate change, both natural and man made is an important issue. I agree climate change could easily kill off 95% of the population. The last ice age may have killed off up to 99% of humans.
If we can engineer the technology to live on Mars, we can engineer the technology to live on an Ice Age Earth.

Thus it comes down to willingness to share the technology with the 95% of humanity that is focused on pets, sports and religion.

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The numbers I have been seeing are that a bit less than 60% of voters feel that climate change is a big issue.
Even 50% is a surprising number to me.

It's not that climate change isn't a big issue, it's that I can readily list 10 things that more drastically affect human health and wellness that are more immediate than climate change. The list of 10 things is what I can come up with given no thought to what harms people. The list would have 50 things ahead of climate change if I gave 30 minutes of thought to it.

... and then there is the whole problem of having no reasonable way to stop climate change.

Ask a 100 year old person what are the 10 worst things they experienced in their lifetime. I'd be surprised if climate change makes the list. The next 100 years is supposed to experience about the same amount of change as the previous 100 years.
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Yeah a CME completely destroying most of the world's power grids.
But most people outside of new Zealand or the north east united States have any idea that solar activity can knock out power.

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