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Old 04-03-2014, 12:49 PM   #121 (permalink)
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All else being equal, a large(r) diameter narrower tire will have lower rolling resistance and lower aero drag than a small(er) diameter wider tire.

One reason is that a larger diameter tire will 'bridge' across unevenness of the road better. Another is that since a tire is essentially 'wedging' the weight of the car uphill constantly - a larger diameter tire has a mechanical advantage, because the 'wedge' it provides is a lower angle.

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BRIDGESTONE® ECOPIA EP500 Tires | Summer Eco Tire for Cars

A bit over $137 each. Now if we can find a source of steel wheels to fit this tire.
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Old 06-12-2014, 11:09 PM   #123 (permalink)
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I have seen 16" space savers but never 19"

Too bad they won't offer them for antiques in say 125/80r13 or 14 or 15

Then I could use them today!
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You can get 125-15s today —

CALL US (815) 895-0244 Product List - 125-15 Tires

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125R15 Firestone F560 Blackwall Low cost replacement tire for many European cars Great for front-runners on your classic rod Construction Tubeless Poly/Steel Load Capacity 695 @ 44 psi Overall Diameter 23.00" Tread Width 3.75"
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All else being equal, a large(r) diameter narrower tire will have lower rolling resistance and lower aero drag than a small(er) diameter wider tire.

One reason is that a larger diameter tire will 'bridge' across unevenness of the road better. Another is that since a tire is essentially 'wedging' the weight of the car uphill constantly - a larger diameter tire has a mechanical advantage, because the 'wedge' it provides is a lower angle.
just noticed this post.

a larger diameter tire actually has worse mechanical advantage when driving over a bump. the lever arm is longer, so it take more torque to do the work.
i'm not sure all the math, but my physics professor did this exact example in class once, and I've remembered it to this day.
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just noticed this post.

a larger diameter tire actually has worse mechanical advantage when driving over a bump. the lever arm is longer, so it take more torque to do the work.
i'm not sure all the math, but my physics professor did this exact example in class once, and I've remembered it to this day.
No, you are mixing up the reference point, your cars motor is not driving you up the crack the weight of the car rolling along does.

So yes a larger tire will roll more easily over a crack when being "pushed" than a smaller tire.

Try pushing a hand cart with small tires over uneven terraign and then one with larger and you will see what he is talking about.
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theres 2 point hes making.

bridging the crack, which i didn't dispute, and wedging the tire uphill (or over an obstacle) where a specific mention to mechanical advantage was made.
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twedging the tire uphill (or over an obstacle) where a specific mention to mechanical advantage was made.
Again you are focusing on something that has no bearing on the conversation.
Go by what he meant not what he said, an unpowered larger wheel has a larger mechanical advantage over a small one (think about a push cart).

When my car goes over a bump it wastes energy in the suspension and also slows the forward momentum of the car.

The larger the tire the easier it is to roll over obstacles whether they are bumps or cracks. The impulse duration is short so it is the horizontal movement of the car that pushes you over not the motor so the torque to the halfshaft is meaningless.

I know this because again push carts with bigger wheels are indeed easier to roll up door ledges and cracks in the sidewalk than small tires which sometimes require me to perform a vertical lift on the load to get over them.

So although a larger tire has absolutely no benefit in terms of the torque required to spin it, it definately has advantages in being less affected by changes in elevation due to the angle of approach of the tire surface itself.

The more gradual angle of the tire spreads the bump out over a longer duration and due to the dynamic nature of the rubber flexing it also results in less elevation change (compared to a smaller tire) Also a larger diameter tire flexes less when hitting an obstacle and the flexion of a larger tire is in a more favorable angle so less force gets directed opposite of the direction of travel in the form of vibration.

(I would almost bet there is some sort of illistrated video showing what a tire does when it tries to roll over a bump in slow mo so you can see the deflection in the tire)

So there is more to this and my only interest in the tire would be from the materials it is made of, not so much the size since it doesn't fit my cars. (with a wierd rim it could fit my old diesel suburban though (barely)

Has anyone determined what the weight ratings of these tires are? What are the inflation pressures?

Also I notice BMWs do occasionally come with 19" space savers, if we could find other cars like this and make a list, there might be hope of finding one in a junkyard with the correct lug pattern.

And no I won't hold my breath for I3 rims.

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Go by what he meant not what he said...
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

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(with a wierd rim it could fit my old diesel suburban though (barely) Has anyone determined what the weight ratings of these tires are? What are the inflation pressures?
It would take 8 of them to hold up a Suburban; they're for the BMW i3.

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I still rather have 155/90 r12/13/14 or 15
You were in the thread in March, have you followed along since? All this back and forth about bumps and energy absorbed by the suspension ignores the fact that a key design feature is using a high-profile aspect ratio so higher pressures can be run.

Centerline can make a wheel in any diameter, offset and bolt pattern you require. All the 19x4s have long since left the junkyards, try swap meets.
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I just came across this posting. I wonder where you could buy aftermarket rims that would; A) Work with these tires, and B) work with your vehicle. If anyone could answer this I would appreciate it because the only high load bearing rim I can think of right off hand would be trailer rims.

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