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Old 11-30-2009, 02:07 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Fine then. GM specifically lists the Honda Civic as a competitor. The 2010 Civic EX-L AT (heaviest of all the civic trims): 2784 lb. It also scores highly for crash safety.

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Old 11-30-2009, 03:14 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Hi,

The Cobalt XFE weighs 2780 lbs.

The Smart car rates very high for crash worthiness and it weighs well under a ton. Ditto for the Toyota iQ.

The Scion xD weighs less than 2,400 pounds, and is very crash worthy.
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Ok but all of those are compacts and subcompacts. You're missing half of the argument.
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Because death by car crash sucks and even the 'compact' cars of today are as big as the midsized cars of 10 years ago.
I don't see what the issue is here. The Chevy Cruze weighs 2832 lb. Hardly out of the ordinary for its competitors.
http://www.chevrolet.co.uk/cars/cruz...ical-data.html

The compact cars of 10 years ago were in the 2000-2500lb range. The cars built today are far more survivable in every kind of accident. Its not surprising that weight has gone up by a few hundred pounds.
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The Scion xD weighs less than 2,400 pounds, and is very crash worthy.
More like 2624 lbs for a subcompact. Not exactly a lightweight.

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... and the Cruze is not a compact? Chevy themselves are comparing it to Civic and Corolla, so how are those not a valid comparison?
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... and the Cruze is not a compact? Chevy themselves are comparing it to Civic and Corolla, so how are those not a valid comparison?


Both of those cars put on many hundreds of pounds over the last 2 or 3 generations. They also grew in size substantially. They are all of similar size and weight as the Cruze. The cruze is certainly not a subcompact like the xd. Whats your point exactly?
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Ok but all of those are compacts and subcompacts. You're missing half of the argument.
I'm questioning your objection. The Cruze is a compact. So are some of the cars we're listing. I'll grant you that some are smaller - that's why I brought in the 2010 Civic, which Chevrolet themselves lists as a competitor to the Cruze. How is the Cruze so much heavier than its direct competitors? That's my question.
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The Cobalt XFE weighs 2780 lbs.

The Smart car rates very high for crash worthiness and it weighs well under a ton. Ditto for the Toyota iQ.

The Scion xD weighs less than 2,400 pounds, and is very crash worthy.
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Year Make      Model     Weight (lbs)  Length"   Width" Height"
2009  Honda     Civic     2630~2760     177       69     57 
2009  Toyota    Corolla   2822          179       69     59
2009? Chevrolet Cruze     2832          181       70     58
The Civic wins the battle of the scales, but not by much.

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How is the Cruze so much heavier than its direct competitors? That's my question.
I'm sorry, I don't know what you're talking about. As previously mentioned several times, the weight of the Cruze is very comperable with every other compact car out there, including the Civic. I was just pointing out that compact cars of today are much bigger and heavier than what we considered compact 10 or 15 years ago. They are also much safer.
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It seems like the US market cruze sits about an inch higher than the same car sold in other markets.

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That image may be enhanced. When I went to the UK site, the "Gallery" had lots of enhanced photos that looked like the above picture. But when I went to the Configurator, I saw this :



That looks pretty much like the US version.

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I don't know. It looks lower to me. Maybe its an optional suspension.

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I'm sure somebody will be selling lowering springs for it in no time if they don't already.


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