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View Poll Results: For all you EOCers: after a cold startup, how long to you wait before EOCing?
Immediately 13 72.22%
After the engine is idling normally 5 27.78%
After the engine is fully warmed up 0 0%
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Old 09-29-2014, 04:03 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I start when my UG reports 120 deg on coolant temp (there's a blue light on the Subaru dash that turns 'off' when the temp gets to 120 - supposed to indicate that it's OK to drive normally). Tstat regulates at 190.

BTW, does anyone know or have any thoughts on whether a 'bump' start at sub warmed-up temperatures is less 'damaging' to the engine than a normal electric re-start?

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Old 09-29-2014, 04:06 PM   #12 (permalink)
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BTW, does anyone know or have any thoughts on whether a 'bump' start at sub warmed-up temperatures is less 'damaging' to the engine than a normal electric re-start?
My first EOC in the Black Widow (100 yards from my driveway) always ended in a fifth gear bump start at 5 mph at the stop sign (granted there was an upcoming opening in traffic). I didn't notice any extra wear and tear bump starting from cold, but then again, my car was an old beater that lived for abuse!

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Originally Posted by campisi View Post
BTW, does anyone know or have any thoughts on whether a 'bump' start at sub warmed-up temperatures is less 'damaging' to the engine than a normal electric re-start?
They are both the same...ish. Keep in mind that damage that is allegedly caused by cold starts is caused by lack of lube for the first half second. If you start a cold engine and shut it off right away, there will be plenty of lube there for your bump start after EOCing. I have seen engines run for 10 minutes without oil in them. Half a second during cold startup is nothing.

I really don't buy the talk that cold starts is a huge wear issue. This seems to be a myth propagated by synthetic oil companies a few years back, aka.."use our amazing oil to avoid cold start damage." When most engines last >300K miles these days, who really cares about cold start damage anyway?
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Old 09-30-2014, 07:11 AM   #15 (permalink)
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They think 40 is cold.
Hey, hey, 40 IS cold! (from Norcal lol)

I noticed in my parents' new Porsche, the stop-start system will engage at 160F coolant temp, oil temp seems to not matter. The cold idle speed is only barely over 1000rpm though, unlike my Toyota which will idle at 1600rpm when cold.

I think it may have to do with the claimed electric oil pump though. I'm guessing it's a secondary pump to add pressure at low speeds since the oil pressure is very much rpm dependent.

I don't EOC generally, but I do shut off the engine if there's more than 15 seconds that it needs to idle (and I have no passengers), however I haven't done that with a cold engine before, but maybe I should considering how much fuel it burns idling at 1600. Plus, my 1ZZ is more likely to be "totalled" from the oil control rings than anything else.

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Old 09-30-2014, 08:21 AM   #16 (permalink)
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And the manufacturers of both the oil and the cars just get better and better. There's a lot of oil left inside the engine, just a microscopic film really but it's enough, to keep things from sticking together for those first few revs at startup. Add in the manufacturers' ongoing quest for friction reduction inside the engine through geometry and coatings and I think we're about ready to put the old "cold starts kill engines" truism to rest.

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Old 09-30-2014, 08:33 PM   #17 (permalink)
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My engine is fully warned up when it is idling normally. I key start since my front motor mount is weak and my engine has quite a bit of compression it seems.

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