Battling the non-believers

[pete c]

Originally Posted by slowmover

I get a similar kind of response on RV boards, whether of more affluent, higher education, or in more common blue collar contributor forums: silence.

Which, when one thinks about it, makes little sense. Not all RV'ers are well-to-do, and many if not most (among the retired) are on fixed incomes. And, as this concerns those savvy enough to participate on Internet forums, the possible resources available (starting with definitions) is profound in itself . . but no real takers.

One may enter a discussion and suggest starting from scratch to spec the one or two vehicles being acquired for best mpg (among other attributes), or in more specific cases of a type, that vehicle and driver can both be improved, and not a high or prohibitive cost. Even short of appearance changes there are no real "takers".

Then, from the widest perspective, how to make an annual fuel budget that accurately tracks use, to:

1] Use less gallons to perform the same work in non-RV miles; and,

2] To "trip plan" effectively to use those "saved" gallons wisely with the RV

. . still no takers.

They'll argue hitches, tires, particular vehicles, etc, till threads are closed on rancor alone.

But FE barely makes a blip.

I've shown more than once that effective use of my truck on all miles (gallons savings, dollar savings, cpm savings) effectively underwrites from 5-15k annual miles "free"

An astonishing silence ensues considering the Number One place of fuel costs for operational expenses. May not "like" me, but not even PM's to ask for more source material to sidestep my perhaps mistaken assertions (to put it diplomatically).

The links I've put up (as with AEROLID) is not taken up by others.

Much moaning and groaning, but besides "slow down" and "fewer trips" and/or "fewer miles" the association of RV and mpg is not taken seriously.

Yet, just look at 9-mpg Class C motorhomes and Orbywans' 15-mpg Class C. And it is good looking.

I could continue with other work and ideas being pursued around here, and remain surprised that some overlap hasn't or isn't occuring. There is no lack of informed DIY and fabrication skills among these sub-groups.

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I think it comes down to RVers having already numbed themselves concerning the topic of mileage. I mean, you have to, to drive around in a barge getting 6 mpg. Any attempt to bring them out of the fog is met with the same reaction you get from a junkie when you want to take his fix away.

Same goes with the bigfoot wannabe 17 year olds in their lifted rangers.

[pete c]

Originally Posted by Old Mechanic

Not my yob to drag Morons out of their pit of stupidity. If they choose to waste energy in their daily routines, why should I try to make them understand the error of their ways.

regards
Mech

You are correct, OM. It ain't our yobs, but, in my case, anyhoo, I enjoy pokin' 'em with a stick and getting into debates. It's a character flaw of mine, I 'spose.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by pete c

a 6" lift and mudder tires

I think its funny when stupid childern spend thousands of dollars to turn a ford ranger or chevy S-10 into a toyota tacoma.
The S-10 and ranger were never intended to be lifted and have huge tires on them.
Why not just buy a tacoma, get a truck already lifted, on 31 inch tires and already desigend to be an off road vehicle from the factory?

Maybe I would think its a good idea if I was a 16 year old who couldn't pass math class.

[Gealii]

why because a tacoma is a toyota a lot of people believe in only American even if the american companies vehicle is an import while the toyota could've been american made

[pete c]

those 17 year olds buy 12 year old rangers because half decent ones can be had for pocket change. Not so, tacomas. It's the same reason I have a 97 ranger in my driveway. I'm the cheap sum' ***** there ever was. And my yard is about as off road as i get.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by pete c

And my yard is about as off road as i get.

I have a sneaking feeling you didn't put a lift and huge tires on your ranger, do normal truck stuff with it and aren't trying to turn it into a super swamper mudder amphibious something or other.

[Gealii]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

I have a sneaking feeling you didn't put a lift and huge tires on your ranger, do normal truck stuff with it and aren't trying to turn it into a super swamper mudder amphibious something or other.

thats what I would hope people would do if you drive straight road theres no point in lifting or anything. Nothing gets to me worse than those wannabe rednecks that lift their truck put big mud tires and use it as a daily driver. It is easy to spot the difference between the people who use them as rigs and those who use em as cars

[user removed]

Originally Posted by ecomodded

Holy crap Mech, are you are going to Bonneville !!!! ??
with that beast

You will have post photos when you get a chance.

Here ya go! The PO told me it had maybe 1000 miles put on it in 10 years.

regards
Mech

[Mustang Dave]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

The most repeated myth I find on car forums is that a CAI will improve FE. There is no amount of reasoning with people because it's a religious topic.

Below is just part of a discussion I attempted to have on the jeepkj forum.

As far as the fuel economy vs. altitude argument goes, I like to point out that airliners cruise at 30000+ foot altitude more for fuel economy than noise abatement. (You can't even hear them from ground level.) They would cruise at lower altitude if it burned less fuel. The "pulse" to altitude burns a lot of fuel, but the engine-on "glide" back down makes up for it.

I've had a number of people call <bovine excrement> on me when I tell them I've gotten over 30 MPG with a Mustang. Some ask me what I've done to it. I tell them, "I've driven it! And I've adjusted the "nut" behind the steering wheel".
One of my co-workers once asked me, "Why don't all Mustangs get that kind of gas mileage?" I told him, "Because I'm not driving them." Some people don't understand that it's not just the machine; the operator makes a difference.

[ecomodded]

Originally Posted by Old Mechanic

Here ya go! The PO told me it had maybe 1000 miles put on it in 10 years.

regards
Mech

Very Bad-ass.
looks like a 1/4 mile car , short axle and very fast looking.
Holy crap would be a good name for it haha.
Nice long boat tail on it as well