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Old 12-15-2019, 05:54 PM   #251 (permalink)
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Start at 3:20, it is some dude showering:

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Old 12-15-2019, 07:26 PM   #252 (permalink)
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From my experience off-roading there isn't much difference between the strength of a unibody and body on frame, but that depends on how well it is built. The biggest diffidence is in repairing and modification.

On the weight side a unibody will be lighter, it is conceivable that the single motor Cybertruck could be in the 4050-4930lbs of the F150, figuring a battery pack at about 1200lbs.
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Cybertruck versus F450 tug-of-war!

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Old 12-16-2019, 01:48 PM   #254 (permalink)
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That image shows a problem - the height of the hitch on the Ford truck gives it downforce, and thereby a big advantage. The Tesla gets its rear wheels lifted slightly off the ground.
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Please quantify the magnitude of this advantage. The two bumpers are 262 pixels apart in that image and the tow strap only rises 8 pixels. It is simple math. Come on, do it.
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Old 12-16-2019, 03:21 PM   #256 (permalink)
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Please quantify the magnitude of this advantage. The two bumpers are 262 pixels apart in that image and the tow strap only rises 8 pixels. It is simple math. Come on, do it.
Did you control for camera level? Are both ends of the road at the same pixel height?

I noticed a height discrepancy too, but it didn't seem like something that would greatly affect the outcome. The truck probably weighs more and has bigger tires, so it's going to win.
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Did you control for camera level? Are both ends of the road at the same pixel height?

I noticed a height discrepancy too, but it didn't seem like something that would greatly affect the outcome. The truck probably weighs more and has bigger tires, so it's going to win.
I think these tug of wars always were stupid, are still stupid, and will always be stupid. That said, torque doesn't matter if the truck has enough to spin its tires if held in place. Most 4wds are really 2wd, some are 3wd and very few are actually 4wd. This is where a Power Wagon would dominate. Real lockers front and rear and its weight would be very difficult to beat. The Model X has traction control and it searches the tires for the best traction but does it actually lock up all 4 wheels? I don't think so. Usually the way to win these goofy things is to wait with your foot planted on the brakes, the other truck probably will have trouble dragging your dead weight with all 4 tires locked up on good pavement. Now with your left foot on the brake start giving it gas with your right foot and get into your powerband. When the other guy starts spinning his tires a little you got him, he has wasted his traction pulling your brakes and now you can let off your brakes and pull his now spinning tires.
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As far as I know, an AWD Tesla still has an open differential, so basically 2 wheel drive (1 front, 1 rear). Perhaps they can individually brake a slipping wheel to provide traction to the one with most grip?
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Did you control for camera level? Are both ends of the road at the same pixel height?
You are welcome to do so. My family says that I have space cancer.
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Space Cancer envy? I didn't know it's a thing.

Isn't it great that we have the Cybertruck now that no-one cares about climate change. It's down to the German railway snarking at G. Thunberg because she didn't compliment the great service on their 100% green electric train's First Class section.

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