California to ban selling new gas-powered cars by 2035

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Originally Posted by sgtlethargic

Where have you got the idea that I want to "ban fossil fuels"?

So there is no plan and there never was.
I would walk back that kind of rhetoric too after embarrassing my self like that.

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We're being punk'd.

[freebeard]

And?

Try to keep up.

We should have taken this seriously when Carter was president.

You're not wrong, but we could have started when Fuller published his Fortune Magazine series in 1940!


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Hows the 100mpg car coming?

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Originally Posted by sgtlethargic

I'd love to hear some supporting reasons for this comment.

I'll try to summarize my position so that replies might head in my intended direction:
A. Cars and cheap (to the consumers) energy have been great for humanity in ways, and horrible in ways.
B. Human well-being and ultimately the habitability of the planet are at risk, and much of this risk is due to the burning of fossil fuels.
C. The consequences of taking that risk are so severe that there is no good argument to continue taking (fueling) that risk.

Therefore, from C alone:

D. We need a major shift away from burning fossil fuels.

We should have taken this seriously when Carter was president. If we would've started then, then we wouldn't have to make changes so quickly, now.

Your own circular reason flow chart.
How do you propose to "make a major shift sway from fossil fuels" with out banning them or call it what you will that effectively bans them?
Oil only provides 1/3 of the energy used by the United States, if we stopped using gasoline to power cars that's half the oil used in the United States. That doesn't put much of a dent in a "major shift".

[freebeard]

Please show how you are not using the Fallacy of the Excluded Middle at C.. And, A. and B. conflate cars and fossil fuel.

How do you propose to "make a major shift sway from fossil fuels" with out banning them or call it what you will that effectively bans them?

Moon Power™!

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Originally Posted by freebeard

Please show how you are not using the Fallacy of the Excluded Middle at C.. And, A. and B. conflate cars and fossil fuel.



Moon Power™!

I haven't seen any sign of willingness to replace fossil fuels with nuclear. Usually people like this just assume all nuclear is bad for whatever reasons. (Reasons given only exist because politicians created them or pure ignorance)

Originally Posted by sgtlethargic

Please show how I've used circular logic.

Not circular. More like dead end.

[freebeard]

I haven't seen any sign of willingness to replace fossil fuels with nuclear.

I was thinking tidal power but there's Helium 3 as well.

We have one poster who doesn't have the time to inform themself, but I'm 25 minutes into

James Burke – Internet Knowledge

Here's his second joke:

...but let me start with
predicting the future because if you get
that right you've got it made
the unfortunate thing about the future
is if you think about it it hasn't
happened yet and never will if you get
my drift

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show how it applies.

Rules of the Internet
14. Do not argue with trolls — it means they win.
[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/rules-of-the-internet

[freebeard]

James Burke joke

what I'm saying is standard operating
procedure doesn't like having to handle
ripple effects or the unexpected like
the woman who gets into an elevator as
the doors close a man gets in she
doesn't know the elevator begins to rise
out of the corner of his mouth he says
your room or mine
baby and she says if you're going to
argue about it forget it

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Originally Posted by sgtlethargic

You're looking for the bright side of the screwed up ecosystem?

Looking for biorremediation and other approaches that might be more effective and sustainable in the long term. If you prefer to refer to it as "the bright side of the screwed up ecosystem",well, if it's somewhat bright why not to take benefit from the best perspective instead of expecting only the worse results?

[freebeard]

"More effective and sustainable" than what?

See what I mean?