Chemical hydrogen production NOT electrolysis

[mario.silva]

Sorry if you got me wrong, as "back-yard" I wasn't refering to real back-yard homebrew fuel-savers/distillaries, but the country's infrastructures.

[oil pan 4]

Whats the obsession with adding hydrogen to gasoline engines?

You can get the same gains hydrogen offers from introducing natural gas or propane into the intake track.

Natural gas and propane are not imported.

[UFO]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Whats the obsession with adding hydrogen to gasoline engines?

You can get the same gains hydrogen offers from introducing natural gas or propane into the intake track.

Natural gas and propane are not imported.

Although I am not a hydrogen proponent, it appears that some wish to reduce our use of fossil fuels. I share that goal, via different means.

[oil pan 4]

If some one wants to their reduce oil consumption all they have to do is buy a diesel and run vegetable or bio diesel blends during the warmer months.
Then add water injection to their diesel engine to further reduce fuel consumption by up to 6%. (I tested it and saw about 4% improvement)

I don't understand why people keep turning toward pseudoscience alternatives when we have proven, well tested methoids to improve fuel economy.

I don't see how use of hydrogen will reduce fossil fuel consumption. Nearly all bottled hydrogen comes from natural gas or oil. The process for making Aluminum in the reaction mentioned isn't fossil fuel free and what ever chemicals used to react the aluminm are likely products of petro chemical companies.

[UFO]

FWIW oil pan 4, I am in complete agreement with regard to diesels and H2.

[mario.silva]

Unfortunatly making a hole for oil and refine it is still the simple way.

Biodiesel like most of the alternative fuels have its downs... crop space, water, even the purification and fraction byproducts...

Even with lemna minor plant in wastewaters we have problems...

All bateries have at large scale production problems with construction resources materials or even time to make them. That's why you only see them in space programs or military...

I like more everyday the simple concept of winding a spring during night and in the morning going to work. Hey, as for pressure or compressed air cars go why not generate the gas pressure along the way chemicaly like mentos and coke??? Ha ha.

Well, peugeot is working on a simple compressed air for regenerative braking. Cheap and effective!

[mario.silva]

I just want to add this thoughs to the forum:

How can you make a car move?

Remember that a car is HEAVY and you need all that weight to move a long distance also!
Sometimes we forget the massive energy it takes to do this. A litle physics classes, formulas, density energy tables and research can help a lot at first instead of go waisting money in home diy experiments by impulse.

Dedicated forums like this are priceless and doing projects together with members that share the same views instead of diy can make huge difference at your wallet!
remember we live in an information era (now I'm in the toilet writing this and probably saving a mithbuster's on cable how cool is that?), just be careful about miss or outdated information on the web.

Don't be aggressive or act like "I'm the supreme genius" in the forums, if you were genious you probably wouldn't be here anyway. We all share the same interests and we are always learning.

A back-yard personal specific solution is not the way, otherwise soon we'll be making plastic pirolysis or going scavaging for used oil from macdonalds across the street to put in an old merc w123 or having a pig farm to extract fat or some other crazy idea...
It has to be a method for the masses that works in real world full scale comsumptin.

After that said, and returning to the question above, when you think about putting energy into motion, all you have is PRESSURE or electricity flow (witch some can call it some type of pressure). ICE, nuclear with turbines, thermo and photo electric, batteries...)

I think PRESSURE is the key and we should look at it.

Best regards.

[mario.silva]

We already got the engine:

How it works

Now we just need the "Mentos/coke" chemical reaction to create pressure on board.

Something controlable and eco-friendly that goes up the atmosphere...

Do you like the idea? Sounds good!

[razor02097]

Originally Posted by mario.silva

We already got the engine:

How it works

Now we just need the "Mentos/coke" chemical reaction to create pressure on board.

Something controlable and eco-friendly that goes up the atmosphere...

Do you like the idea? Sounds good!

the pressure created by soda pop is CO2.... In order for it to be eco friendly according to Jeremy Clarkson the only things to come out of the exhaust pipe are baby foxes

[Air-Hybrid]

Originally Posted by Air-Hybrid

I was hoping to see evidence that supported you assertion that:
"using aluminium to make H2 that is to 'assist' a gas' engine will save money over running on straight gasoline."

Even if there are arguments that this kind of system can reduce our overall expenses on petrol (+ Al powder costs), I don't see why it will be cheaper than some already accepted solutions - solutions that [Also] use cheap fossil-fuels and their derivatives [eg. propane or methanol].

... did you find anything to support any of this?