The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[sendler]

Originally Posted by aerohead

AeroStealth mentioned a recent power failure in Australia,where Tesla's grid-tied batteries kicked in seamlessly to pick up the grid load.Nobody suffered any interrupted service.

The Tesla battery only contributed 30MW (even though it is purported to be a 100MW battery) and only for a couple minutes. When the drop out was 560MW. Barely a blip in the bucket.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by sendler

Population 20,000 and no industry. And electricity is only 20-30% of total energy consumption worldwide. Rebuildables can offer a good quality of life for 2 billion people. Costa Rica is the other darling example but they only have 5 million people in the whole country and get most of their electricity from one (of the world's largest) dam.
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Germany is a good example with 115% electrical capacity from rebuildables but all winter long was running between 4-500gmCO2/ kWh because of the very poor capacity factor in winter. Not to mention the other 70% of their energy that is not electricity.
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It was very sunny in Germany today. They briefly made it over 50% of electricity for a couple hours.
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https://www.electricitymap.org/?page...countryCode=DE
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NY state still kicked their ass on carbon emissions by 30% with no wind or solar.
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https://www.electricitymap.org/?page...ntryCode=US-NY
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Germany has neighbors.There's no physical boundary which would preclude them from importing 'green' power from elsewhere when they need it.

[sendler]

Originally Posted by aerohead

Germany has neighbors.There's no physical boundary which would preclude them from importing 'green' power from elsewhere when they need it.

The point is that they already have 115% installed rebuildable capacity installed. A much higher build out of solar and wind than any other major countries. And they still rely heavily on coal all winter long. Their annual capacity factor for grid scale solar is 11%. Onshore wind is in the low 20's.

[freebeard]

3.5 What is the Global Energy Grid idea?

[From Critical Path by RBF, 1981, p. 206.]

``It is engineeringly demonstrable that there is no known way to deliver energy safely from one part of the world to another in larger quantities and in swifter manner than by high-voltage-conducted `electricity.' For the first half of the twentieth century the limit-distance of technically practical deliverability of electricity was 350 miles. As a consequence of the post-World War II space program's employment and advancement of the invisible metallurgical, chemical, and electronics more-with-lessing technology, twenty-five years ago it became technically feasible and expedient to employ ultra-high-voltage and superconductivity, which can deliver electrical energy within a radial range of 1500 miles from the system's dynamo generators.

``To the World Game seminar of 1969 I presented my integrated, world-around, high-voltage electrical energy network concept. Employing the new 1500-mile transmission reach, this network made it technically feasible to span the Bering Straits to integrate the Alaskan U.S.A. and Canadian networks with Russia's grid, which had recently been extended eastward into northern Siberia and Kamchatka to harness with hydroelectric dams the several powerful northwardly flowing rivers of northeasternmost U.S.S.R. This proposed network would interlink the daylight half of the world with the nighttime half.

``Electrical-energy integration of the night and day regions of the Earth will bring all the capacity into use at all times, thus overnight doubling the generating capacity of humanity because it will integrate all the most extreme night and day peaks and valleys. From the Bering Straits, Europe and Africa will be integrated westwardly through the U.S.S.R., and China, Southeast Asia; India will become network integrated southwardly through the U.S.S.R. Central and South America will be integrated southwardly through Canada, the U.S.A., and Mexico.''

[From The GENI website.]

GENI, Global Energy Network International Global Energy Network Institute was founded in 1986 by Peter Meisen to investigate the idea of Dr. R. Buckminster Fuller, proposing a global electric energy grid as the number one priority to solve many of the world's most pressing problems.

The R. Buckminster Fuller FAQ: Fuller's Ideas About Human Society: Critical Path

We knew all this in the 1970s.


"Global Power: The Electric Hypergrid" from New Scientist Magazine

That dates to 1995. That's either 50 or 20 years spinning our wheels.

[sendler]

Originally Posted by freebeard

We knew all this in the 1970s.

How much wire does it take? Do we have enough metal left?

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by sendler

How much wire does this take to transmit 17TW across oceans? Many of these ideas sound great until you do the math.

It's for load balancing, you don't need the whole output to be transmitted. It's a one world ocean, you need only cross the Bering Strait. Bucky was good with math.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by RustyLugNut

I have little issue with the whole global warming agenda other than it places all the blame of said warming on CO2. Severe curtailing of CO2 emissions will not stop global warming as such. Even the experts admit this. So what point is it to cripple our economies without a real plan to replace our energy needs with something more realistic than the effusive renewable energy as it is produced today?

*We're experiencing climate change.
*Man-made carbon dioxide is accelerating the process.
*The CO2 already in the atmosphere will be there 1,000 years.
*The ideal scenario is to end fossil-fuel combustion immediately (if we could)
*Then begin removing the CO2 which is in the atmosphere,and try to get it down closer to pre-industrial levels.
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The average global temp. is 1.5F above pre-industrial.
If we turn off coal-fired power plants we're guaranteed another 1.5F in about a year,when tropospheric sulfate aerosols (which are presently reflecting sunlight) settle out,lowering the albedo of the upper reaches of the troposphere and we begin absorbing more infrared which can't escape.
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We're already crippling the economy with coal.It's been superannuated with renewables.
The Southern Company for instance,has a Rodemacher,Louisiana coal-fired power plant which burns 25,000-short-tons of coal/day.It requires a 6,000-mile roundtrip from the Powder River Basin in Wyoming for 2-trains a day to fuel it,and each 5.5-years pays for coal,a cost equal to the $2-billion construction price of the plant.
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The cheapest new coal plant is 4.1-cents/kW-h,when you can buy solar at 2.44-cents kW-h,as is done in India.The sunlight makes the 93,000,000-mile trip to Earth at no cost,for the life of the planet.Build it and it will come.
Adam Smith would vomit if he'd lived to see how stupid things have become.

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by hydrive

Do you have any evidence that he's paid off by oil companies to present a specific point of view?

Yes - his past actions and words. He denies science.

Oil companies have known that burning fossil fuels are causing climate change since at least 1978.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by Xist

Aerohead, have you ever considered multi-quoting?

I don't know what that is.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Single quoting boosts post count and increases the odds of people like me and you winning cool loot.

I plead ignorance on single/multi.
Can I get an example to help my pinhead wrap around the concept?