Go Back   EcoModder Forum > Off-Topic > The Lounge
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Closed Thread  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 07-27-2018, 10:47 AM   #2311 (permalink)
Tyrant-at-large
 
Vman455's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Champaign, IL
Posts: 1,702

Little Red - retired - '05 Honda Civic EX
90 day: 49.03 mpg (US)

Pope Pious the Prius - '13 Toyota Prius Two
Team Toyota
SUV
90 day: 59.04 mpg (US)
Thanks: 178
Thanked 1,489 Times in 790 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by oil pan 4 View Post
It's only 10 inches in 100 years, then why is everyone freaking out over this.
It isn't nearly that simple. In fact, to all of you arguing back and forth in this thread: none of this is as simple as either side makes it out to be. We talk in absolutes when arguing, but this issue is not conducive to absolutes because the future is a) quite complex because it depends on a variety of factors, some of which we probably haven't even considered, and b) impossible to predict with a high degree of accuracy because of a).

So, for the question in...question, what will sea levels do over the coming century? The IPCC and NASA have materials available addressing this. Notice all the caveats--"high degree of confidence," "medium degree of confidence," "likely ranges," "median projection," etc.

If it was possible to say, "Sea level rise will be 10 inches between now and 2100," or "Sea level rise will be 10 meters between now and 2100," in either case we would be much better equipped to address it just by knowing, absolutely, what will happen. But that is impossible.

__________________

 
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Vman455 For This Useful Post:
aerohead (07-28-2018), Xist (07-27-2018)
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 07-27-2018, 10:50 AM   #2312 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Philippines
Posts: 2,173
Thanks: 1,739
Thanked 587 Times in 401 Posts
The water doesn't rise uniformly, because the globe is not uniform, and northern lands uncovered by glaciers tend to rise, shifting more of that water level rise to the tropics.

I've visited a town that lost its beachfront tourist economy over the past thirty years to erosion and sea level rise. Breakwaters once dozens of feet from the water now right on the water, except at very low tide, where a foot or two of beach peeks out. Can't move the beachfront back, as the town has already been built up around it.

Then you have towns that sink as groundwater is pumped out for use by their citizens, which compounds the problem... and towns that are in areas where the sea is already naturally higher, and where sea level rise is compounded by high temperatures... hell... you don't have to be under sea level to be affected by sea level rise if the change in sea level and weather patterns creates storm surges big enough to put the town underwater every few years.

This is the problem facing coastal towns around the world. Bully for you if you have high ground to move to. To bad if there's none. Given how many coastal towns and cities are built, actually moving those populations will be a gargantuan task.

-

Also, idiots will be idiots. What the sheep think on either side of the divide doesn't change what's actually happening due to climate change.

Last edited by niky; 07-27-2018 at 10:56 AM..
 
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to niky For This Useful Post:
aerohead (07-28-2018), Fat Charlie (07-28-2018), NeilBlanchard (07-27-2018)
Old 07-27-2018, 12:20 PM   #2313 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
NeilBlanchard's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Maynard, MA Eaarth
Posts: 7,873

Mica Blue - '05 Scion xA RS 2.0
Team Toyota
90 day: 42.48 mpg (US)

Forest - '15 Nissan Leaf S
Team Nissan
90 day: 156.46 mpg (US)

Number 7 - '15 VW e-Golf SEL
TEAM VW AUDI Group
90 day: 155.81 mpg (US)
Thanks: 3,386
Thanked 2,883 Times in 1,812 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by oil pan 4 View Post
Sounds like a lot of work to delay the inevitable.

I avoid tall building because they are in the big cities. I can't stand big cities.
I would take being mortar fire in Afghanistan than be in nyc.
What about living in a world with smokestacks and exhaust pipes? Because, those things kill millions every year.
__________________
Sincerely, Neil

http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/
 
Old 07-27-2018, 12:28 PM   #2314 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 17,207
Thanks: 4,611
Thanked 5,752 Times in 4,586 Posts
Were I to live in the Cascadia Tsunami zone, I'd pick Garibaldi Oregon.


https://www.topoquest.com/place-detail.php?id=1132380

Highway 101 wraps around the base of Green Hill and the summit is 426 feet above mean sea level.
__________________
.

We are operating at an overall mechanical efficiency of only four percent… Therefore, we find that if we increase the overall mechanical efficiency to only twelve percent we can take care of everybody. That three-fold increase in the overall efficiency can only be accomplished by redesign. – R. Buckminster Fuller

_________________
 
Old 07-27-2018, 12:32 PM   #2315 (permalink)
EV convert
 
oil pan 4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NewMexico (USA)
Posts: 8,906

Sub - '84 Chevy Diesel Suburban C10
SUV
90 day: 19.5 mpg (US)

camaro - '85 Chevy Camaro Z28

Riot - '03 Kia Rio POS
Team Hyundai
90 day: 30.21 mpg (US)

Bug - '01 VW Beetle GLSturbo
90 day: 26.43 mpg (US)

Sub2500 - '86 GMC Suburban C2500
90 day: 11.95 mpg (US)

Snow flake - '11 Nissan Leaf SL
SUV
90 day: 141.63 mpg (US)
Thanks: 214
Thanked 2,924 Times in 2,280 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard View Post
What about living in a world with smokestacks and exhaust pipes? Because, those things kill millions every year.
Try living with out them.
Unless you live on an off grid ranch/farm you cant.
__________________
1984 chevy suburban, custom made 6.5L diesel turbocharged with a Garrett T76 and Holset HE351VE, 22:1 compression 13psi of intercooled boost.
1989 firebird mostly stock. Aside from the 6-speed manual trans, corvette gen 5 front brakes, 1LE drive shaft, 4th Gen disc brake fbody rear end.
2011 leaf SL, white, portable 240v CHAdeMO, trailer hitch, new batt as of 2014.
 
The Following User Says Thank You to oil pan 4 For This Useful Post:
sendler (07-27-2018)
Old 07-27-2018, 06:39 PM   #2316 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 17,207
Thanks: 4,611
Thanked 5,752 Times in 4,586 Posts
This is the kind of thinking we need:

reddit.com/r/Futurology:The $3 Billion Plan to Turn Hoover Dam Into a Giant Battery


Quote:
Hoover Dam helped transform the American West... Now it is the focus of a distinctly 21st-century challenge: turning the dam into a vast reservoir of excess electricity, fed by the solar farms and wind turbines that represent the power sources of the future.

The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, an original operator of the dam when it was erected in the 1930s, wants to equip it with a $3 billion pipeline and a pump station powered by solar and wind energy.
And here's why:

www.reddit.com/r/Futurology:Global warming accelerates at triple the past rate: IPCC. By 2040, Earth's temperature will be 1.5 C above pre-industrial levels.


But wait, from the comments:

Quote:
Translation: In 2016, somebody said "Hey, what would happen IF this thing happened?" To which IPCC responded, "yeah sure...we can do a study on that scenario IF it were to happen. Expect it in 2018."

Nowhere does it say anything about the likelihood of that outcome, and if you look at IPCC's most recent assessment report, there's very little reason to think it's likely at all. Even scenarios that do involve 1.5 or more degrees typically involve timeframes closer to 2081-2100, SOURCE: IPCC 5th assessment report, table 2.1, page 60.

Here is the outline for the report being discussed by the article: http://www.ipcc.ch/meetings/session4...tline_sr15.pdf

They make it very clear that this is a report on a specific requested scenario, and not necessariliy a thing they think will happen
Quote:
"Things might be getting a little bit better, but it's kind of hard to know for sure and it could really go either way still, but yeah...it kind of looks like there's been some improvement, we think." That doesn't make a very good news article. But when you have years of that going on, it adds up.

That IPCC report I linked earlier was from 2014. China's 3-year decline was years ago. The UK actually peaked decades ago. Even US emissions peak was over ten years ago. Yet have you heard about any of that?

Check my sources. Do you own google searches. Have you only been hearing rhetoric about Trump dooming us to fiery doom? Nonsense. US emissions peaked years before even Obama was in office.

[sources]

Every source agrees on this, and it's been this way for ages, but you don't hear about things like this because "things are becoming marginally better, very slowly" doesn't get you to click on links or watch news reports. But every time somebody decides to run a worst case "what if" scenario through their models, journalists flock to it, and that's all that you see.
__________________
.

We are operating at an overall mechanical efficiency of only four percent… Therefore, we find that if we increase the overall mechanical efficiency to only twelve percent we can take care of everybody. That three-fold increase in the overall efficiency can only be accomplished by redesign. – R. Buckminster Fuller

_________________
 
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to freebeard For This Useful Post:
redpoint5 (07-27-2018), Xist (07-27-2018)
Old 07-27-2018, 11:01 PM   #2317 (permalink)
EV convert
 
oil pan 4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NewMexico (USA)
Posts: 8,906

Sub - '84 Chevy Diesel Suburban C10
SUV
90 day: 19.5 mpg (US)

camaro - '85 Chevy Camaro Z28

Riot - '03 Kia Rio POS
Team Hyundai
90 day: 30.21 mpg (US)

Bug - '01 VW Beetle GLSturbo
90 day: 26.43 mpg (US)

Sub2500 - '86 GMC Suburban C2500
90 day: 11.95 mpg (US)

Snow flake - '11 Nissan Leaf SL
SUV
90 day: 141.63 mpg (US)
Thanks: 214
Thanked 2,924 Times in 2,280 Posts
That's been the narrative forever:
We have to make drastic impossible changes by yesterday or we all die in the very near future.
__________________
1984 chevy suburban, custom made 6.5L diesel turbocharged with a Garrett T76 and Holset HE351VE, 22:1 compression 13psi of intercooled boost.
1989 firebird mostly stock. Aside from the 6-speed manual trans, corvette gen 5 front brakes, 1LE drive shaft, 4th Gen disc brake fbody rear end.
2011 leaf SL, white, portable 240v CHAdeMO, trailer hitch, new batt as of 2014.
 
The Following User Says Thank You to oil pan 4 For This Useful Post:
aerohead (08-01-2018)
Old 07-27-2018, 11:29 PM   #2318 (permalink)
Not Doug
 
Xist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Show Low, AZ
Posts: 9,893

Chorizo - '00 Honda Civic HX, baby! :D
90 day: 35.35 mpg (US)

Mid-Life Crisis Fighter - '99 Honda Accord LX
90 day: 31.32 mpg (US)
Thanks: 6,646
Thanked 1,889 Times in 1,434 Posts
"We're already dead, we just don't know it yet."

Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	14yfy5.jpg
Views:	33
Size:	42.9 KB
ID:	24610  
 
Old 07-28-2018, 10:43 AM   #2319 (permalink)
Rat Racer
 
Fat Charlie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Route 16
Posts: 4,034

Al the Third, year four - '13 Honda Fit Base
Team Honda
90 day: 42.9 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,711
Thanked 1,842 Times in 1,194 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by redpoint5 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by oil pan 4 View Post
Sounds like a lot of work to delay the inevitable.

I avoid tall building because they are in the big cities. I can't stand big cities.
I would take being mortar fire in Afghanistan than be in nyc.
Yeah, I'm with you. Mortar fire sounds exhilarating, while NYC traffic is a nightmare.
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard View Post
What about living in a world with smokestacks and exhaust pipes? Because, those things kill millions every year.
Smokestacks and American motorists are much more effective at dealing death than the local gunners overseas are.

Hearing mortars and rockets never aroused much more in me than amused curiosity- amusement at watching people panic and wondering what was actually going to get hit. Rush hour traffic and industrial pollution, now that stuff is dangerous.
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by sheepdog44 View Post
Transmission type Efficiency
Manual neutral engine off.100% @MPG <----- Fun Fact.
Manual 1:1 gear ratio .......98%
CVT belt ............................88%
Automatic .........................86%

 
The Following User Says Thank You to Fat Charlie For This Useful Post:
aerohead (07-28-2018)
Old 07-28-2018, 01:15 PM   #2320 (permalink)
EV convert
 
oil pan 4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NewMexico (USA)
Posts: 8,906

Sub - '84 Chevy Diesel Suburban C10
SUV
90 day: 19.5 mpg (US)

camaro - '85 Chevy Camaro Z28

Riot - '03 Kia Rio POS
Team Hyundai
90 day: 30.21 mpg (US)

Bug - '01 VW Beetle GLSturbo
90 day: 26.43 mpg (US)

Sub2500 - '86 GMC Suburban C2500
90 day: 11.95 mpg (US)

Snow flake - '11 Nissan Leaf SL
SUV
90 day: 141.63 mpg (US)
Thanks: 214
Thanked 2,924 Times in 2,280 Posts
That was Obama administration thinking.
Don't worry about the terrorists, worry about pollution and sea level rise. Even though the air and water are cleaner then they have been in decades.
Luckily the grown-ups are back I charge.

__________________
1984 chevy suburban, custom made 6.5L diesel turbocharged with a Garrett T76 and Holset HE351VE, 22:1 compression 13psi of intercooled boost.
1989 firebird mostly stock. Aside from the 6-speed manual trans, corvette gen 5 front brakes, 1LE drive shaft, 4th Gen disc brake fbody rear end.
2011 leaf SL, white, portable 240v CHAdeMO, trailer hitch, new batt as of 2014.
 
The Following User Says Thank You to oil pan 4 For This Useful Post:
aerohead (07-28-2018)
Closed Thread  Post New Thread


Tags
lies, opinion, reality, scam

Thread Tools




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com