The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[freebeard]

I would rather have Islamic state running around than people from new York City.

Be careful what you wish for!

Is this the correct thread for solutions?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfRo8_RfefA

He looks at these solutions for economic viability, which is good. I'd heard of concrete that sucks CO2 out of the air as it cures. But I hadn't heard about parking an asteroid at the L1 Lagrange Point and turning it into a dust cloud. That's brilliant.

[NeilBlanchard]

Plants can take carbon out of the air much more quickly, and cheaper, and more efficiently, than any machine.

We farm the right way - and lots of carbon is sunk into the soil. We manage grasslands the right way, and lots of carbon is sunk into the soil. And the same goes for forests, and we can make biochar, get a lot of energy and sink that carbon, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgmssrVInP0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxIyKfWf9kU

[All Darc]

Nobody complained that in the Movie Total Recal they ignored Mars 1/3 gravity compared to Earth.

Originally Posted by freebeard

Be careful what you wish for!

Is this the correct thread for solutions?

He looks at these solutions for economic viability, which is good. I'd heard of concrete that sucks CO2 out of the air as it cures. But I hadn't heard about parking an asteroid at the L1 Lagrange Point and turning it into a dust cloud. That's brilliant.

[freebeard]

I agree that biochar is a effective and scalable solution*, but there something to be said for carbon negative concrete. I find these businesses:

Cement-Free, Carbon-Negative Concrete | Carbicrete
Solidiatech | Where Sustainability Meets Profitability

This one looks interesting but with shields up my browser won't touch it (Error code: SSL_ERROR_NO_CYPHER_OVERLAP). Maybe next time I'm at the library:

Originally Posted by DDG

TecEco - History Magnesium Cements
History of Magnesium Cements. The history of magnesium cements goes back millenia, magnesium phosphate cements made from animal faeces or fermented plant material and magnesia were used in the great wall and in many early buildings around the world.
[Search domain tececo.com/history.magnesium_cements.php] https://tececo.com/history.magnesium_cements.php

*https://www.coolplanet.com/

[sendler]

Richard Heinberg's latest essay:
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Civilizations do roughly the same thing. In their early days, complex societies are populated with generalist pioneers (people who do lots of things reasonably well) living in an environment with abundant resources ready to be exploited. These people develop tools to enable them to exploit their resources more effectively. Division of labor and trade with increasingly distant regions also aids in more thorough resource exploitation. Trading and administrative centers, i.e., cities, appear and grow. Money is increasingly used to facilitate trade, while debt enables a transfer of consumption from the future to the present. Specialists in violence, armed with improved weaponry, conquer surrounding peoples.

Complexity (more kinds of tools, more social classes, more specialization) solves problems and enables accumulation of wealth, leading to a conservation phase during which an empire is built and great achievements are made in the arts and sciences. However, as time goes on, the costs of complexity accumulate and the resilience of the society declines. Tax burdens become unbearable, natural resources become depleted, environments become polluted, and conquered peoples become restless. At its height, each civilization appears stable and invincible. Yet it is just at this moment of triumph that it is vulnerable to external enemies and internal discord. Debt can no longer be repaid. Conquered peoples revolt. A natural disaster breaks open the façade of stability and control.
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https://www.resilience.org/stories/2...e-big-picture/
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[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

The French seemed to have figured it out.

The French pay less than we do, actually.

But you (like AFLG who paid for that cartoon) don't like the sound of the word 'tax'.
How about a carbon deposit instead? You get your money back if you return it to the 'store'. If, however, you choose to just blow it out into the fresh air you lose the deposit, but that's your choice.

[oil pan 4]

No tax, deposit, credit, loan or bs they are calling it works fine for me.
I don't trust these idiots as far as I could throw then so I will do what I can to insulate my self from their stupidity.
Because if they pass their carbon tax scam I likely won't be able to afford an electric vehicle, solar panels, plug in hybrid, rewire the house to accommodate all this gear, plant trees, grow food, experiment with solar heating, ect.
But I think that has been their plan all along.
Take everything they can from everyone they can so effectively no one can create their own energy independence.
Because it's all about control, that's all its ever been about, "saving the world" is just the lie the agenda hides behind.

[sendler]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

an electric vehicle, solar panels, plug in hybrid, rewire the house to accommodate all this gear, plant trees, grow food, experiment with solar heating, ect.
But I think that has been their plan all along.
Take everything they can from everyone they can so effectively no one can create their own energy independence.
Because it's all about control, that's all its ever been about, "saving the world" is just the lie the agenda hides behind.

You are taking some great steps. One of the few non professor people I talk to that is really doing anything to become self sufficient and resilient. We can't rely on the current status quo of governments. It's up to us. To teach people. To take control of governments back to the people. But we are stuck with a market economy system which cannot be left to act freely with no price added to consider the value of consuming non renewable resources. Or no price added for the sink of the waste streams. Right now all we pay is mostly just for the cost of extraction with nothing put aside for the future that will not have these things and has to deal with the long term effects of the waste streams. But the world is way too crowded and interconnected and resource demanding for Libertarian ideals to reign. We would be wise to figure out how to cooperate on a world level to get down off of this consumption bubble and distribute capital, labor, and resources where they make the most sense for survival. Of all things. For the next 200,000,000 years that Earth will be in the habitable zone of our Sun. Think resilience. Think deep time.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circum...habitable_zone
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This takes world coordination. Which means wise world government.
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There is no planet B.

[RedDevil]

Libertarianism works fine if the playing field is more or less even.
Sadly, money buys power so there will quickly evolve a situation where the have-nots get in trouble. Total free choice is nice if you have options, but worthless if you cannot provide for your bare needs. If there's no system to provide for that, or no way to fund that system, then probably a quarter of the population would have to struggle to just survive, even in wealthy countries.

Burning fuel causes pollution, and we need to clean up that pollution or face the consequences. If you dump your waste in your neighbours garden you get into trouble. Now, this carbon burning waste does not stay neatly in that garden but spreads over the worlds atmosphere and oceans.
Do we have the right to do that and not pay for it somehow?

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Most of the illegal immigrants don't even want to stay here.
The middle of the country here has thousands of square miles of farm land that sits at least 1,000 feet above sea level.
Sea levels have been on the rise for the last 14,000 years or so and it hasn't caused a dent in the number of fat people.
If anything the warmer temperatures have caused it.

The random,double-blind,placebo-controlled,large cohort research studies have identified the 'standard American diet' of fat,salt,sugar,processed foods devoid of nutrition,and lifestyle, as drivers for obesity,high blood pressure,arteriosclerosis,heart attack,stroke,erectile dysfunction,and type-2 diabetes.
Switching to a vegan diet can reverse all of the symptoms.