The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Yes, it is adjusted for inflation, and given in 2015 real (adjusted for inflation) dollars.

Old-timers talk about cheap fuel, such as a quarter for a gallon, but I started driving when it was the cheapest ever (in the US) in 1998. Gasoline was $0.99 per gallon. I'd fill a motorcycle, pay $5, and get change back. I'd fill the VW bug, pay with $10, and get change back. I'd fill the v8 Dodge van, pay $20, and get change back.

If I remember correctly,the price of fuel is not part of the 'market basket' consumer price index calculation,so the price of fuel doesn't really reflect the 'cost' to say,a minimum-wage employee, whom may have to decide between fueling their car,or feeding their family.
It also does not take into effect,the cost of the US Seventh Fleet,which safeguards foreign petroleum shipments into US refineries and pipelines,or 'war premiums' absorbed by US taxpayers (over 23-dollars/barrel during the Gulf War)

[aerohead]

The only other argument for climate change that I've run across,has to do with 4-season locals.
U.S.Representative,Duncan Hunter,(R),California,Chairman,House Sub-Committee overseeing U.S. Coastguard said,
'Thousands of people die every year of cold,so if we had global warming it would save lives.'
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And the 6-lb baby Jesus can save us all from Climate Change according to Mac Thornberry,Chairman,House Armed Services Committee,as he argues that prayer is a better response to heat waves and drought than cutting carbon pollution.
I suspect that this will be of great comfort to the family survivors of all the tens of thousands of dead Christians who've perished in heat waves and drought.
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*photosynthesis improves up to 20-C
*from 20-C-to-35-C it plateaus
*from 35-C-to-40-C it declines (leaves wilt, solar capture declines)
*at 40-C is ceases (stomata close,carbon dioxide intake arrests)
*plant dehydrates
*plant reaches thermal shock
*plant dies
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*In a laboratory,added CO2 may help with growth
*not all plants react to CO2 the same way
*weeds love CO2
*termites love trees killed by invasive bark beetles
*termites love trees killed by invasive pine beetles
*forests of dead trees love to become wild fires when lightning strikes
*CO2-warmed plants love to make isoprene and VOCs instead of grow
*Isoprene loves to photochemically combine with antropogenic BBQ-grille pollution to form ground level ozone which kills the plant
*Seared human lung alvioli enjoy accelerated lung scarring with ground level ozone
*CO2-warmed heat-loving C-4 metabolic photosynthetic plants love to take over C-3 plants
*Fall armyworm larvae (Spodoptera frugiperda) love to eat CO2-warmed crops
*spongiform encephalitis carried north by ticks,hitch-hiking aboard deer,love to eat out the brains of moose,if they haven't already died of hypothermia from rubbing off all their hair due to the ticks.
*Oh yes,a real bright spot for the tourist water-skiing industry, who'll be active at the North Pole during summers,as early as 2025

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

The only thing the big developed nations could do that would have any lasting or immediate effect would be to build more nuclear power plants.
Everyone says they want to reduce CO2 until they are actually given options that will reduce CO2. Then all of a sudden they don't want to do it.

That's post number 7.
Most of the believers don't really want to do anything. They just want to use government to make everyone else do something.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by sendler

This takes world coordination. Which means wise world government.
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There is no planet B.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTUJ7GtEx0Y

What happened 11,600 years ago has happened 6 times, regular as clockwork. It turns out that materials thrown off by the Sun are indistinguishable from asteroids. Pop quiz: How many decades until it happens again?

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

That's post number 7.
Most of the believers don't really want to do anything. They just want to use government to make everyone else do something.

Not to sound like Bill Clinton,but could you define 'most'?.
Some that I know are doing everything in their power to get to a zero carbon footprint.And big ticket items take a while to budget for,as these people aren't made of money.
Their income tax situation doesn't even allow them to take advantage of incentives.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by aerohead

define 'most'?.

The gasoline powered vehicle driving, natural gas service using city slickers who reap all the benifts and modern conveniences of a fossil fueled society, but won't do anything to inconvenience them selves in in any way to save the world but still want to fell like they are doing something.
Your typical believer.

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

The gasoline powered vehicle driving, natural gas service using city slickers who reap all the benifts and modern conveniences of a fossil fueled society, but won't do anything to inconvenience them selves in in any way to save the world but still want to fell like they are doing something.
Your typical believer.

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

I would rather have Islamic state running around than people from new York City.

If only they could be trained to behead just New Yorkers, not New Mexicans...

You can save the world! But you gotta convince them first.
Word has it they are believers too.

[aerohead]

I'm gonna start this thread and add to it as data comes along.
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Ice ages and non-ice age periods,or,Glacial/Interglacials-Interstadials,are defined by glaciologists as pertaining to sea level.
Interglacials (complete deglaciation) are defined by high seal level,and marine oxygen isotope statigraphy.
Interstadials are incomplete interglacials.
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Glaciation is attributed to a 2.4-million-year Earth orbital eccentricity cycle.A 1.2-million year orbital eccentricity.A 1.2-million -year obliquity cycle.And also affected by Milankovitch;orbital,tilt,and wobble cycles of 96,000-years,41,000-years,and 23,000-years,respectively.
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Earth's orbit is perturbed by that of Mars,as: planetary ephemeris,secular resonances,precession of perihelion,and precession of the node,which contribute to a stochastic resonance transition in sensitivity of climate to obliquity forcing which can become the dominant 100,000-year climate cycle.
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*Not all solar insolation maxima have led to interglacials
*Some prominant solar insolation peaks (maxima) are associated with incomplete deglaciations.
*Solar flux radiative forcing cannot by itself define ice-age dynamics.
*There is no single solar insolation threshold separating interglacials from interstadials throughout the Quarternary (last 2.6-million years)
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*In the last ice-age,atmospheric CO2 was 180 ppmv (today it's 407 ppmv)
*Solar onsolation at the poles during warm seasons at the Equator is equally high regardless of obliquity.
*Stratospheric ozone absorbs 50% of incoming total solar insolation spectrum
*Poleward solar radiative forcing is actually lower during solar maximums due to ozone spectral opacity
*Higher atmospheric albedo can explain cooling
*Volcanic eruptions can affect global albedo
*Lower CO2 can explain cooling
*High obliquity at the poles enhances seasonality (you cannot have seasons without obliquity)
*Oceanic absorption (pH)and burial (phytoplankton/zooplankton) of carbon can lower atmospheric CO2.

[All Darc]

What about the super vulcanic eruption, like Yellowstone mega explosions that happens each 600.000 years.

Or the mega explosion that was more than 200 stronger than Krakatoa, about 40.000 years ago.

Unless we find corld fusion, easy hydrogen fusion, and manage to produce 65% of the food by vertical farms with LEDs, most people will die one day. Humanity would survives, but most would die.

Originally Posted by freebeard

What happened 11,600 years ago has happened 6 times, regular as clockwork. It turns out that materials thrown off by the Sun are indistinguishable from asteroids. Pop quiz: How many decades until it happens again?

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by aerohead

ice ages
I'm gonna start this thread and add to it as data comes along.

Maybe have the mods spin it off, or start a new one on your own? This topic is loading Okay now but a few days ago I couldn't see the last half of it.

Isn't Ice Ages, and their comings and goings, sufficiently different than The Consensus to warrant it's own thread?

All Darc — What's relevant to this thread is the four cycles that are peaking together. The Beaufort Gyre and the others, it's somewhere back in the thread.