The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[All Darc]

There is a suposed huge influence about ice ages, but related to the Earth's orbit around the Sun and Earth's axis angle. Thye orvit around the Sun tends to get different in cycles, and also the Earth Axis.

How will humanity try to reduce the effects of ice age, when the next one come?

[sendler]

Originally Posted by All Darc

How will humanity try to reduce the effects of ice age, when the next one come?

We should save as much of our coal as we can to burn during the next ice age.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by All Darc

How will humanity try to reduce the effects of ice age, when the next one come[th]?

A good question but you graphic doesn't address it.* The Earth's orbit eccentricity is 0.02:

Earth's orbit has an eccentricity of less than 0.02, which means that it is very close to being circular. That is why the difference between the Earth's distance from the Sun at perihelion and aphelion is very little – less than 5 million km.

https://phys.org/news/2014-11-earth-orbit-sun.html

OTOH:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

Contents

1 Earth's movements

1.1 Orbital shape (eccentricity)
1.1.1 Effect on temperature
1.1.2 Effect on lengths of seasons
1.2 Axial tilt (obliquity)
1.3 Axial precession
1.4 Apsidal precession
1.5 Orbital inclination

2 Problems

2.1 100,000-year problem
2.2 Transition problem
2.3 Unsplit peak problem
2.4 Stage 5 problem
2.5 Effect exceeds cause

*I think that monomaniacally addressing the perceived problem leaves us open to being blind-sided by the Black Swan events. Space may be no refuge, we may need to go underground. Again.

[All Darc]

Proof water would not be a problem (if energy/money it's available) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj9ylsoHBcg

But people don't listen science and can reject it :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YocDQ9OqeuA

Reverse osmosys remove drugs from water, a capability most water treatment systems don't have.

Even energy from swage can be generated (without count the methane energy and biodisel from poop) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6nht6nKPcY

[freebeard]

Minimum Viable Product, or in other words... The least we can do. Water quality deserves more. Here's a clip from Comprehend and Copy Nature. The whole thing is worth you time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rg--F4_l4Q

All the Schauberger components are there, the Water Egg, the twisted pipes, the implosion impeller.

[All Darc]

I don't understand... Is it worth for just take water from 3 meters depth and bring to surface ? Just because algae concentration was high in the surface?
How it helps?
What moves the pump? Oh, the solar power? Where is it, the panels ???

One question about swage to potable process (from the earlier video I posted): How can it be viable, using reverse osmosis when used for desalinization, for example, it's very expensive. Unles reverse osmosis for desalinization tooks much more energy (pressure) to remove salt than to remove bacteria and chemicla and drugs.

And the swage need to be pre treated before go to the cleaning process to became potable. This pre-treatment, used to make swage harmless to oceans (but not up to drink) it's more expensive than water treament to make good river's water potable. At least it's what I heard in my country, that it's easier and cheaper to get pobable water treatning river water than make swage water harmless to oceans.

Originally Posted by freebeard

Minimum Viable Product, or in other words... The least we can do. Water quality deserves more. Here's a clip from Comprehend and Copy Nature. The whole thing is worth you time:

All the Schauberger components are there, the Water Egg, the twisted pipes, the implosion impeller.

[freebeard]

I wondered the same thing about the solar panels. Three meters is possibly the depth of that pond.

As for the pre-treatment in you videos, it's being funded and performed anyway. They're just taking advantage. It probably wouldn't be viable (assuming it even is) otherwise.

edit:
I was watching a Youtube video on the Shauberger Trout Turbine, when I saw a mention of this:

nytimes.com:RADIATION DANGER FOUND IN OILFIELDS ACROSS THE NATION

[All caps in original] This is from 1990, before fracking became popular. 'Produced' water contains radium, they just dumped it on the ground.

2nd edit:

Scot Adams weighs in on the topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_H3GEt31d4

It sounds like he wants to be Dave Ruben, but he mentions Bill Gates being in favor of nuclear power .....and Thorium

When I reloaded this page to add an edit, vBulletin dropped me back to 2018-03-13 Permalink # 1089-90 when Frank Lee and I were discussing music videos. So because it's a new year, and people are down on Baby It's Cold Outside, here is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzA_...=RDRnX-Lm2IbEg

[Not sure how you expose the URL only. You have to go to Youtube for this one.]

[All Darc]

Bill Gates's Janicki OmniProcessor (water from swage)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVzppWSIFU0

Also generates some electricity and the solids have value (fertilizer ? )

But wait a second... Pure water from boiling process it's suposed to be very slow. Try to take water from vapor at your home. Even a giant pan boiling it, with a huge home condenser, would only generate a few liters per day. So a usine even if use industrial process could not clean a lot water to a comunity, unless it's just the amount needing for drink and cooking.

There is this other process, up to use in home, that do not use micro filtration, and it's not very good, since it can't kill all bacteria (just 99,9%) and do not remove disolved soplids or heavy metals or pesticides :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv28RalFd-E

Fast translation help : He collected water from toileds from a bus station, mixed with dirty water he got from a smal farm ground, and mixed both in a bucket.
Cleaning step one it's agglutination (dirty partricles get togeter after a aditive he put on it (firt thing he added), followed by segmantation, filtration and the use of chlorine to kill bacteria and virus (last thing he aded). Sadly no sand filtration, no activated carbon filtration, no reverse osmosis, but it's better than crap dirty water in many poor places.

The guy in the video sent the "home treated water (collected from a toilet and from farm at ground as show in the video) to a lab for tests, before drink, and the lab said it was potable. The lab report do not mention heavy metals or pesticides, so I presume they didn't tested such.

Reverse osmosis it's the best to remove heavy metals and pesticides. For swage water treatment to turn it potable, I found reverse osmosis it's not as expensive as it's for desalinization, since there are much less salts in swage water than in sea water.

[freebeard]

With viable Thorium reactors, straightforward distillation is possible. But Schauberger has something to contribute. Implosion cools the water. If a tornado can lift trees and tons of water you [for one] should be able to lift particulates out of water.

https://www.implosionresearch.com/product/water-egg/

Product Description

We have learnt from Viktor Schauberger’s writings that it is very important to store liquids in opaque egg shaped containers. Because there are no corners and crevices there is no stagnation and disease causing bacteria are much less likely to breed. Constant convection and spiralling movement keep liquids fresh, cool and healthy. The stored liquid should not be exposed to sunlight. The Ancients knew of this and used amphorae and egg-shaped urns as storage vessels made from natural materials. In today‘s industrial world, practicality dictates the mass production and use of cylindrical and rectangular plastic containers.

[All Darc]

Sorry, in this site they talked about "water memory" the same scam insane homeopathy use to preach.

https://www.implosionresearch.com/water/

Originally Posted by freebeard

With viable Thorium reactors, straightforward distillation is possible. But Schauberger has something to contribute. Implosion cools the water. If a tornado can lift trees and tons of water you [for one] should be able to lift particulates out of water.

https://www.implosionresearch.com/product/water-egg/