The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Solar and wind aren't going to work since they don't produce power most of the 24 hour cycle.
If everyone switches passenger vehicles to electric then residential electrical demand doubles.
Utilizing a gigawatt hour scale battery that's only around 80% efficient is really stupid.
Just think, all the wind and solar we have now won't even cover charge to discharge losses. What a waste.

For the sake of argument,if the 'public' is not willing to go down the nuclear road,and we need zero carbon power,what other,off-the-shelf technologies do we possess,which are ready to go,regardless of scale?

[aerohead]

Tomorrow,Sunday night,CBS is going to do a segment on climate change,on their program,60-MINUTES.
No idea what they're up,they provided no details.

[oil pan 4]

Oh when the power goes out for a few days the people will be rioting and burning their city to the ground people will forget all about the hyped bads of nuclear power.
Considering wind and solar power only make up about 2 to 3 percent of all the energy used in the United states it's almost pointless to think they will make up the majority any time soon.
In less than 30 years nuclear power went from 0% market share to 9%.
In 10 years solar went from a 0% market share to what effectly rounds rounds down to a 0% market share and it's going to be less than 1% for the forsee able future.

[redneck]

Originally Posted by aerohead

Tomorrow,Sunday night,CBS is going to do a segment on climate change,on their program,60-MINUTES.
No idea what they're up,they provided no details.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lawsuit...al-60-minutes/

You have a number of kids who are very compelling plaintiffs who are experiencing the harms of climate change now and will experience the harms of climate change much more dramatically as they get older."

I’ll hold my tongue...


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[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by aerohead

For the sake of argument,if the 'public' is not willing to go down the nuclear road,and we need zero carbon power,what other,off-the-shelf technologies do we possess,which are ready to go,regardless of scale?

None.
Nothing but nuclear could even begin to replace some of the the 4 trillion kwh of energy used by the United states.
Those idiot democrats pushing the new green deal can't even comprehend the scale of the issue. They are so stupid they think a few years of building solar panels and wind turbines will replace fossil fuel power.
The CBO says the green new deal will cost 93 trillion dollars.

[sendler]

That is the big problem with anyone trying to make wise decisions. Very few people have any understanding of the scale of trying to replace even half of human primary energy use. Do the math. But we have only two modes: Complacency and Panic.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by redneck

I’ll hold my tongue...


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Why?

If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain

Edmund Burke? Anselme Batbie? Victor Hugo? King Oscar II of Sweden? George Bernard Shaw? François Guizot? Georges Clemenceau? Benjamin Disraeli? Winston Churchill? Anonymous?

Dear Quote Investigator: Some individuals change their political orientation as they grow older. There is a family of sayings that present a mordant judgment on this ideological evolution. Here are three examples:

Not to be a républicain at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head.

If you’re not a socialist before you’re twenty-five, you have no heart; if you are a socialist after twenty-five, you have no head.

If you aren’t a liberal when you’re young, you have no heart, but if you aren’t a middle-aged conservative, you have no head.

Political terminology has changed over time, and it differs in distinct locales. Within the context of these sayings the terms “républicain”, “socialist”, and “liberal” were all on the left of the political spectrum. Would you please explore this complex topic?

Quote Investigator: The earliest evidence located by QI appeared in an 1875 French book of contemporary biographical portraits by Jules Claretie. A section about a prominent jurist and academic named Anselme Polycarpe Batbie included the following passage. Boldface has been added to excerpts: 1

M. Batbie, dans une lettre trop célèbre, citait un jour, pour expliquer ses variations personnelles et bizarres, ce paradoxe de Burke: « Celui qui n’est pas républicain à vingt ans fait douter de la générosité de son âme; mais celui qui, après trente ans, persévère, fait douter de la rectitude de son esprit. »

Here is one possible translation to English.

Mr. Batbie, in a much-celebrated letter, once quoted the Burke paradox in order to account for his bizarre political shifts: “He who is not a républicain at twenty compels one to doubt the generosity of his heart; but he who, after thirty, persists, compels one to doubt the soundness of his mind.”

Batbie was probably referring to the statesman Edmund Burke who was noted for his support of the American Revolution and later condemnation of the French Revolution. However, QI has not located the quotation under investigation in the writings of Burke. Anselme Batbie lived between 1828 and 1887.

The same quotation with an ascription to Batbie appeared in volume five of the “La Grande Encyclopédie” which was published circa 1888. The title in English of this 31 volume work was “The Great Encyclopedia”, and the statement was printed within the entry for Batbie. 2

This saying is often attributed to the French statesman and historian François Guizot who died in 1874. However, this ascription was based in an entry in “Benham’s Book of Quotations Proverbs and Household Words” which was published many years after the death of Guizot; hence the supporting data is not very strong. Details are given further below in the 1936 citation.

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/02/24/heart-head/

Nevermind the Marxist school teacher that was shepherding and coach the young students.
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Originally Posted by oil pan 4

None.

Know your history:
Context of '1930s - 1940s: Florida Experiences Brief Boom in Solar Water Heater Sales, Ended by Aggressive Marketing Campaign by Electric Company'

Big AC?
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That is the big problem with anyone trying to make wise decisions. Very few people have any understanding of the scale of trying to replace even half of human primary energy use. Do the math. But we have only two modes: Complacency and Panic.

Buckminster Fuller's Synergetics is there on the shelf, when we grow enough to reach for it. That's the anticipatory part of Anticipatory Design Science.

https://www.bfi.org/about-fuller/big-ideas
Fuller insisted on resisting monikers of specialization to describe his work, preferring instead to describe his output as that of a 'comprehensive anticipatory design scientist ' - 'an emerging synthesis of artist, inventor, mechanic, objective economist and evolutionary strategist.'

Evolution isn't inherently strategic.

When Battle Angel Alita and her new boyfriend stand on that rooftop, it's right next to an atmospheric resonator antenna.

[oil pan 4]

Heated water makes up about 10% to 15% of the energy used by a household. Might as well use it but it's not the answer.

[freebeard]

It was the 1930s. By now we could be sequestering superheated steam or something.



Thank you for replying, I was starting to think I was shadow-banned.

[RedDevil]

Impossible. And even if developed countries could, poor countries will never be able to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_India

Solar power in India is a fast developing industry. The country's solar installed capacity reached 25.21 GW as of 31 December 2018.[1][2]

The Indian government had an initial target of 20 GW capacity for 2022, which was achieved four years ahead of schedule.[3][4][5] In 2015 the target was raised to 100 GW of solar capacity (including 40 GW from rooftop solar) by 2022, targeting an investment of US$100 billion.[6][7][8][9][10]

India expanded its solar-generation capacity 8 times from 2,650 MW on 26 May 2014 to over 20 GW as on 31 January 2018.[3][4] The country added 3 GW of solar capacity in 2015-2016, 5 GW in 2016-2017 and over 10 GW in 2017-2018, with the average current price of solar electricity dropping to 18% below the average price of its coal-fired counterpart.[11][12][13]

Rooftop solar power accounts for 3.4 GW, of which 70% is industrial or commercial.[14] In addition to its large-scale grid-connected solar PV initiative, India is developing off-grid solar power for local energy needs.[15] Solar products have increasingly helped to meet rural needs; by the end of 2015 just under one million solar lanterns were sold in the country, reducing the need for kerosene.[16] That year, 118,700 solar home lighting systems were installed and 46,655 solar street lighting installations were provided under a national program;[16] just over 1.4 million solar cookers were distributed in India.[16] In January 2019, Indian Railways announced the plan to install 4 GW capacity along its tracks.[17]

Large scale solar park tenders have upper limits below 3 Rs/kWh, like this recent one : https://www.pv-magazine-india.com/20...f-rs-2-65-kwh/.
Less than $0.04/kWh.
And solar will not get more expensive.
Imagine solar powered steel and aluminum factories. India may get rich.

The western power generation market is up for a gigantic Kodak moment.