The climate change movement: July 28, 1995 to August 14, 2020 RIP

[Piotrsko]

3 possibility: someone's crystal ball has a crack and is giving erratic data that is being grokked wrong.

[freebeard]

That's number 2 -- [Another failed prediction in a long, long line of failed predictions…]

Possibly we are being gaslit? Gaslighted?

[freebeard]

I like exurb1a. He keeps things in perpective.

the existence forecast

[oil pan 4]

Climate change can't even make snowy summers a thing of the past. This weekend it snowed from Colorado to Canada and Canada got like 2 feet.

I went ahead and picked up a used snow blower and my location is 88101. Not exactly snow country.

[sgtlethargic]

Originally Posted by redneck

A reminder from United Nations climate envoy @GretaThunberg that the world will end in seventeen days due to the burning of fossil fuels.

Did you even look at the "tweet" you linked? How did "five years" turn into "seventeen days"?

[sgtlethargic]

I'd like the group to answer why they believe that industrialism, especially the burning of fossil fuels, isn't an environmental problem.

[Piotrsko]

Well it wasn't for the last 1000 ysars.......

[freebeard]

I'd like the group to answer why they believe....

Assuming the entire group sees a problem, the reasons will be disparate. Offer a poll with limited choices.

As for myself, I think we dodged a problem with insufficient CO2 stunting plant life.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by sgtlethargic

I'd like the group to answer why they believe that industrialism, especially the burning of fossil fuels, isn't an environmental problem.

As freebeard pointed out, there is no consensus here. The question lacks sufficient specificity. Kinda like asking why people believe that eating, especially meat, isn't a health problem. Everything is assumed not to be a problem unless a specific issue is alleged.

My biggest complaint (and I'm not accusing you of this) is the deliberately imprecise and divisive use of "The Environment"; as if there is only 1, and it somehow magically encompasses flourishing for every imaginable plant and creature.

For example, "The environment" for various extremophiles is absolutely inhospitable for most other creatures. "The environment" for mosquitos in my house is inhospitable because I don't leave stagnant water for reproduction, or easy ingress/egress. It's a fantastic environment for me, though.

"The Environment" is a fictitious concept used as a religious construct by anti-humanists to fool people into believing any impact to Gaia's pristine nature is sinful. Somehow humanity is the only creature not part of Gaia's perfect creation.

That isn't an argument against preserving or improving various environments for various other species (environmentalism), only that I reject Environmentalism as a religion. I'm a humanist, and that means placing the highest value on human environments for the short, medium, and long term.

By the way, I don't begrudge anyone who practices The Environmentalism religion (Gaianism), as I don't believe humanity is capable of being free of religion. I only have contempt for those who wish to spread their religion by force. This is why so many have contempt for Greta, because she doesn't just practice her Gaia religion peaceably, but condemns the pagans and calls for a Crusade against them. It's a tragedy that such a bright and passionate young woman was indoctrinated into a violent and anti-humanist sect of Gaianism.

This is the explanation for my "title" under my username.

[sgtlethargic]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Assuming the entire group sees a problem, the reasons will be disparate. Offer a poll with limited choices.

Maybe you guys should hold a climate catastrophe contrarian conference. You could call it COPout23.

Originally Posted by freebeard

As for myself, I think we dodged a problem with insufficient CO2 stunting plant life.

What on Earth?