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11-03-2021, 06:48 PM
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Considering a solar super flare can blow away 10% to 20% of the earth's atmosphere at a time. Green house gases are insignificant compared to the power of the sun.
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11-03-2021, 07:20 PM
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Considering a solar super flare can blow away 10% to 20% of the earth's atmosphere at a time. Green house gases are insignificant compared to the power of the sun.
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They're plenty capable of rendering the planet uninhabitable, and something we can affect, which can't be said for solar activity.
I'll remain focused on the possible.
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11-03-2021, 07:39 PM
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I'm going to try reading the latest IPCC for 10min a day. I'm on page 6 of 3939 currently. If I get discouraged I'll switch to the Bible.
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11-03-2021, 08:58 PM
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Life did great with CO2 levels much higher than 1,000 ppm.
So saying that more CO2 even double current CO2 is bad for life is just a lie.
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11-05-2021, 04:04 PM
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1,000 ppmv
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Life did great with CO2 levels much higher than 1,000 ppm.
So saying that more CO2 even double current CO2 is bad for life is just a lie.
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We were at 280 ppmv before the Industrial Revolution kicked off.
Currently, climate sensitivity, at a 'doubling' of carbon dioxide ( 560 ppmv ) will lead to the 3-C world ( 5.4 F warmer ).
Presently we're at around 412-ppmv.
Any use of the word 'life', in the context of justifying no climate action, would require some context.
Conditions supporting only single-cellular life on Earth may be a turn-off for some. Although it would be 'life.'
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11-05-2021, 04:13 PM
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Reading the IPCC report
Please bear in mind that, due to time constraints required for the publication deadline, that there's an arbitrary cut-off for new information, and typically, when you read the report, it's already partially obsolete, with much information already superannuated.
Personally, it's a waste of time.
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11-05-2021, 05:49 PM
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Which is why it helps to follow the daily news of space weather and peer-reviewed papers.
https://suspicious0bservers.org/ Nov 5th:
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11-05-2021, 05:54 PM
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What I'm bearing in mind is that nobody can understand the infinite implications of change, but that generally speaking, slower change is preferable to rapid.
I read the FAQ portion yesterday and it seems 2 degrees increase was somewhat arbitrarily chosen as a line not to cross, with a stretch goal of 1.5 degrees to leave a more comfortable buffer. We've already increased 1 of those 2 degrees in the previous 150 years.
Overall, I'd say reading the material so far has slightly increased my perception of the risk of warming. If action is to be taken, some target to aim for must be created even if it's somewhat arbitrary.
There's way too much DIE (Diversity, Inclusion, Equity) discussion in the FAQ which detracts from the credibility it's attempting to convey, but I can ignore the nonsense and accept the reasonable information. Many would be turned off and unable to take anything seriously after reading the DIE stuff though. It was a bad move on their part if the goal was to inform and persuade.
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11-05-2021, 06:14 PM
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I think that money and the market will just leave governments behind in the dust arguing, as they move investments and industry pivots, on timescales unimaginable in democracies, short of a declared war on global warming.
The warm, touchy-feely stuff isn't necessary for adult communication. Money will follow smart products. All will be beneficiaries, by default.
Power of the purse. That's what ended Apartheid. Protests and revolts meant nothing.
No one sheds a tear for the livery stables, stage coaches, kerosene lantern makers, ice-box manufacturers, pony express riders, or incandescent light bulb makers.
There will come a point when no one knows what pistons and oil filters are.
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